So about the ACC in MSG

[MUBasketball]

Good call on moving their title game to Saturday night. Those Sunday title games are a complete waste. The results are never factored into the bracket.

That, or they are intentionally going head-to-head vs. the Big East championship game to steal their thunder. This is a calculated plan, they want to bury the Big East.

[IWB]

Why do we act like 2005 was a sacred date of some sort for conference affiliation?]

Because that is why MU & others left CUSA for the Big East after the ACC raided the Big East of Boston College, Virginia Tech and Miami.

The problem isn't conference shifting, its the fact that the ACC has always targeted the Big East, and for reasons beyond football. Why do they want the tourney in MSG? Becaue they knows its "The world's most famous arena". They know it is the premier facility. They want to be known as the best conference in the nation and the best conference in the nation plays their conference tournament in Madison Square Garden. They want it just to prove that they are top dog.

They can kiss the Big East's ass.

Look, the AD at BC slipped up and told the media that "ESPN told them what schools to target". ESPN was pissed that the Big East didn't take their contract, so ESPN and their affiliates will continue to take shot after shot after shot at the Big East and pump up the ACC as much as they can. While I would like to say we need to get used to that, it is asinine that this would even go on. These are supposedly institutions of higher education, but they are far from it in the way they are going about things.

[IWB]

That, or they are intentionally going head-to-head vs. the Big East championship game to steal their thunder. This is a calculated plan, they want to bury the Big East.

That's it right there..

[BLT]

It sure is a business, and the ACC has been very aggressive including turning up the volume this week. Interesting that the ACC is also targeting the Verizon Center in DC where they have no teams after Maryland moves to the B1G. One would think that Georgetown would have had a non-compete clause in their lease.

[TheSultan]

Because that is why MU & others left CUSA for the Big East after the ACC raided the Big East of Boston College, Virginia Tech and Miami.

The problem isn't conference shifting, its the fact that the ACC has always targeted the Big East, and for reasons beyond football. Why do they want the tourney in MSG? Becaue they knows its "The world's most famous arena". They know it is the premier facility. They want to be known as the best conference in the nation and the best conference in the nation plays their conference tournament in Madison Square Garden. They want it just to prove that they are top dog.

They can kiss the Big East's ass.

Look, the AD at BC slipped up and told the media that "ESPN told them what schools to target". ESPN was pissed that the Big East didn't take their contract, so ESPN and their affiliates will continue to take shot after shot after shot at the Big East and pump up the ACC as much as they can. While I would like to say we need to get used to that, it is asinine that this would even go on. These are supposedly institutions of higher education, but they are far from it in the way they are going about things.

But again, that's not the first time conferences raided one another.

The SEC took Arkansas from the SWC. The Big 8 took four schools from the SWC and basically left the rest hanging. Then there is the B10 taking from the B12 and the ACC. The P12 taking from the B12 and Mountain West. You guys are acting like the ACC is the only aggressor and the BE is the only victim here. Cmon... If the BE decides to expand down the line, they are going to probably look at a couple A10 schools. And our excuse is going to be "well they did it first?"

Why can't we simply be intellectually honest enough to understand where we are on the food chain and we participate in the same things that we are bitching about others doing. The BE is below the major football conferences. They take what they want and there isn't much we can do. And we do the same to the A10, the MVC and others below us.

You can't blame the ACC for doing what they did. It made sense for them. Just like you can't blame the BE for first raiding the CUSA for schools...and then the A10 and MVC.

[Goose85]

ACC (Duke and Syracuse) wants to be in NY and can't get The Garden.
They go and get Barclays to show the Big East they can own NY from a different venue.

Here's to hoping in 2017 the ACC title game does not feature Duke or Syracuse (bring on Wake and Miami), while the Big East has a battle of highly ranked teams at The Garden for a packed title game.

[TheSultan]

That, or they are intentionally going head-to-head vs. the Big East championship game to steal their thunder. This is a calculated plan, they want to bury the Big East.

The TV numbers are way better on Saturday night. And in the past, ESPN had the BE to fill that time slot. This year they will have the AAC, which is going to be a significantly weaker draw after Louisville leaves.

It makes perfect sense for ESPN to do this.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Sultan, I think the issue that rubs most here is that most of those other moves were football motivated. The ACC's initial moves of Va Tech and Miami were too.

This recent decade has seen that change. The Big East raided C-USA not just to shore up their weakened football but to enhance their basketball. That was different. And the ACC clearly didn't like it. With Duke, UNC, Maryland, etc they were used to being the alpha dog in basketball. The Big East starting in 2005 was clearly the strongest basketball conference.

Florida, Virginia, those were areas that made sense to the ACC. Boston was a stretch, but at least on the Atlantic. But Syracuse? Pitt? Louisville? Notre Dame? Those were clear basketball moves made by a conference jealous that they were no longer top dog.

I get it. The Big East left their geographic footprint first, but I think people take issue that in the past basketball was always an afterthought and the ACC made it a focal point. They took our little sport off the back burner. Maybe the Big East started it with the C-USA raid, but now that we are the ones targeted, people take issue. Can't be that surprising, is it?

[Gato78]

I am in NYC right now so my appropriate respond is F them. Predatory pricks playing like it I s the NFL vs the old AFL. Nice to see what higher education has become. Maybe the internet based universities will ruin all of this soon anyway. F them.

[MU/Panther]

ACC = the bully conference.

Raiding the Big East more than once, and now kicking the A-10 out of the Barclays. They couldn't wait another year and wait until their contract was up to move in? I hate that whole damn conference.

I like the A-10. They would be better served to play in Philly at The Palestra.