Catholic 7 working on exit strategy

[TheSultan]

People keep talking about market size! WHO CARES?? This should be about the quality of basketball. Period. Georgetown has the DC market locked up anyway. VCU before any of those, if they HAVE to take more than 10. Who is going to watch the SLU-Dayton game other than fans in those markets?? NO one...they don't register with the average college BB fan, at all. Now VCU....people know them because of their recent success...they will tune in to watch them.

Ice, you are all over the place man.

First, I will note that you never answered my question about what excites you about Creighton. Again, Creighton has been to one S16...back in 1974.

Second, you bring up VCU's recent success while ignoring George Mason's. You do realize that George Mason went to a Final Four five years before VCU did. I mean, unless you are a flea on crack, you aren't going to think that one has a better history than the other. Since 1990 they have the exact same number of tournament appearances.

[MU_Iceman]

And the thread again takes a distasteful change. Leave this for scoop or scout. Let's try to stay on topic here and not make the same points over and over again in multiple threads.

Is iceman murff?

Because Mac's opinion is the only one that matters. Fine...you spring wood over watching MU-Dayton and MU-SLU I get that. That's your prerogative. You want to be ok with MU being known as a mid major school again that's up to you. I don't have to like it...that's the beauty of America. If you don't see the value of adding Gonzaga...then that's your deal..I always assumed you were an intelligent guy...perhaps not so much. This is about men's basketball. Track, VB, etc, are meaningless. They don't bring the University a dime. You do what you have to do. if the execs tell them..."hey, bring in Gonzaga and we will pay more", would it be worth it to you then?? Cuz they ain't saying "bring in SLU and Dayton and we will pay more". You might think they will, but they won't. No one cares about SLU and Dayton. they are 100% irrelevant in the college BB landscape, much like DePaul is. How many more like them do you want MU to play against??

[MU_Iceman]

Ice, you are all over the place man.

First, I will note that you never answered my question about what excites you about Creighton. Again, Creighton has been to one S16...back in 1974.

Second, you bring up VCU's recent success while ignoring George Mason's. You do realize that George Mason went to a Final Four five years before VCU did. I mean, unless you are a flea on crack, you aren't going to think that one has a better history than the other. Since 1990 they have the exact same number of tournament appearances.

I know you are a BIG proponent of Dayton...what is your wood for Dayton?? Tell me what they have done that's been relevant in the last few years?? How many NCAA tournaments have they been too?? Don't give me market size or anything like that. What has their BB product done on the floor?? I know what Creighton's has done...This isn't about what they have done in the past...this is about what have you done for me lately. Everyone cites the "histories" of these schools. So?? How is 1998 relevant to what their programs are today?? I said...nothing excites me about Creighton either. But I'm taking them far before SLU, Duquesne, G. Mason, or sure as hell more than Dayton. Why?? Their recent tournament history. I can't give you more than that because that's what I'm basing it on. Period. Now...your turn...what excites you about Dayton or SLU(specifically Dayton) based on RECENT tournament history. 1983 ain't walking thru that door. I'll hang up and listen.

[TheSultan]

I know you are a BIG proponent of Dayton...what is your wood for Dayton?? Tell me what they have done that's been relevant in the last few years?? How many NCAA tournaments have they been too?? Don't give me market size or anything like that. What has their BB product done on the floor?? I know what Creighton's has done...This isn't about what they have done in the past...this is about what have you done for me lately. Everyone cites the "histories" of these schools. So?? How is 1998 relevant to what their programs are today?? I said...nothing excites me about Creighton either. But I'm taking them far before SLU, Duquesne, G. Mason, or sure as hell more than Dayton. Why?? Their recent tournament history. I can't give you more than that because that's what I'm basing it on. Period. Now...your turn...what excites you about Dayton or SLU(specifically Dayton) based on RECENT tournament history. 1983 ain't walking thru that door. I'll hang up and listen.

First off, I am not really excited about Dayton. No idea where you got that. What I have said is that I trust the people making these decisions, and if they choose Dayton, then I will be fine with it.

Second, you are ridiculously inconsistent. You are excited about Creighton's "recent tournament history." Do you know what Creighton's recent tournament history is? 7 bids since 2000 - two victories. George Mason was in a Final Four in 2006. So who has the better "recent tournament history???"

Honestly, you really need to tone it down. Your immaturity completely undermines your arguments.

[MUMac]

Because Mac's opinion is the only one that matters. Fine...you spring wood over watching MU-Dayton and MU-SLU I get that. That's your prerogative. You want to be ok with MU being known as a mid major school again that's up to you. I don't have to like it...that's the beauty of America. If you don't see the value of adding Gonzaga...then that's your deal..I always assumed you were an intelligent guy...perhaps not so much. This is about men's basketball. Track, VB, etc, are meaningless. They don't bring the University a dime. You do what you have to do. if the execs tell them..."hey, bring in Gonzaga and we will pay more", would it be worth it to you then?? Cuz they ain't saying "bring in SLU and Dayton and we will pay more". You might think they will, but they won't. No one cares about SLU and Dayton. they are 100% irrelevant in the college BB landscape, much like DePaul is. How many more like them do you want MU to play against??

Really murff? I am not the one who constantly bitches, whines and destroys threads with the same position over and over and over and over and over .... again. That to me is the definition of the person who believes theirs is the only position that matters. You, sir, are that person.

As for your childish smut laced posts, take it to scoop or scout. Really, a day or so ago IWB asked that this board not become one of those. Frankly, you are making it one.

Now, back to the topic, how do you feel about the C7 working on an early exit strategy? That was the purpose of this thread before you and sultan made it a difficult one to read. Congrats kids.

[TheSultan]

That was the purpose of this thread before you and sultan made it a difficult one to read. Congrats kids.

Whoa...what? Not exactly sure what I said that made it "difficult to read."

But to answer the question, I think it benefits both parties to make the divorce as quick as possible. I never thought it was going to happen as late as 2015. Schools need to move on. 2013 is probably too quick to hope for. 2014 makes the most sense.

The NY Post article says something very interesting....that the football side of the conference is looking to build a credible basketball product with UConn, UC, Memphis and Temple. This is why I think the idea of having them as members of the C7 isn't going to happen. Not because the C7 doesn't want it...but because the football schools don't want it.

[MU_Iceman]

One last thing on this topic....then I will address the early exit strategy...

Tournament appearances since 2000-

Creighton-7
Dayton-3
SLU-1

As far as the early exit strategy...I like it...get out as soon as you can. However, I do have some concerns they are rushing all of this. There is so much to be worked out yet...which teams to invite, a TV deal, heck, they need a commissioner still. If you don't get the BE name or MSG where will you host the tournament?? What will the conference name be. So many things to do...if they leave next year already, can they have everything else worked out??

[MUMac]

Whoa...what? Not exactly sure what I said that made it "difficult to read."

There are multiple threads on the topic that you and iceman debated ... once again. In fact, you two have gone off the topic MANY times in the same debate. I learned absolutely nothing that I did not know before tonight about either of your positions, yet you both regurgitated the same garbage several more times in this thread alone. It had absolutely nothing to do with the initial thread, which is what I wanted to read. It get's tiring to read the same old crap over again. Yes, you made it that way along with murff.

[Phantom Warrior]

Out of curiosity what makes you think Iceman is Murff? Any others feel the same?

[kneelb4zerg]

Out of curiosity what makes you think Iceman is Murff? Any others feel the same?

Hell no. He's gomarquette.