Announcement Wednesday?

[MU/Panther]

Interesting that the Xavier fans are so pro Dayton. For whatever reason I just think adding a team like Dayton, SLU or Creighton is just too "mid-major." Not saying a I have a better option (although im still holding on to my pipedream of adding memphis, temple, uconn and cincy).

Why is it your pipedream to add football schools?

[WindyCityGoldenEagle]

It's my pipedream to create the best basktball conference possible while simultaneusly protecting yourself from another conference implosion.

We can always add Creighton, SLU and Dayton if the fball schools leave. Go and get top bball schools like Xav, Butler and memphis, uconn, cincy, temple (let them park their fball in CUSA or wherever and keep them as long as possible with the expectation that they may eventually leave).
-There is no given that they will be invited to the ACC, Big 12, etc
-It would create a much better bball conference for the time they are in the league
-The bball only schools still maintain a controlling majority vote in the league
-If they leave, the conference keeps their tourney credits which means more money for each school in the conference and SLU, Creighton and Dayton will still be waiting there to join

I understand that having departures from a new conference might not be the best move pr wise but I believe the pros outweigh the cons in my opinion.

[Notherdude]

It's my pipedream to create the best basktball conference possible while simultaneusly protecting yourself from another conference implosion.

We can always add Creighton, SLU and Dayton if the fball schools leave. Go and get top bball schools like Xav, Butler and memphis, uconn, cincy, temple (let them park their fball in CUSA or wherever and keep them as long as possible with the expectation that they may eventually leave).
-There is no given that they will be invited to the ACC, Big 12, etc
-It would create a much better bball conference for the time they are in the league
-The bball only schools still maintain a controlling majority vote in the league
-If they leave, the conference keeps their tourney credits which means more money for each school in the conference and SLU, Creighton and Dayton will still be waiting there to join

I understand that having departures from a new conference might not be the best move pr wise but I believe the pros outweigh the cons in my opinion.

100% disagree. No unconn or Cincy or any football teams. Look at mess of be right now. These teams will leave sooner or later and then it's right back to the same situation now trying to figure out who is invited and joins. Way all this realignment is going who knows where c7 league will even be when those schools would decide to leave. Take the best bball schools available now with 12 team league and build on that

[unclejohn]

100% disagree. No unconn or Cincy or any football teams. Look at mess of be right now. These teams will leave sooner or later and then it's right back to the same situation now trying to figure out who is invited and joins. Way all this realignment is going who knows where c7 league will even be when those schools would decide to leave. Take the best bball schools available now with 12 team league and build on that

+1

Who wants the instability of starting a league and having several charter members looking at the door? And as soon as they leave, you create the impression that your league is second-rate, and that the best teams in it would rather play somewhere else. And I do not know that the teams you are talking about are all that much better, if at all, than the teams they would replace. Memphis lost to SLU in the tournament last year. I do not know where Temple finished in the A-10, but they certainly did not dominate it. SLU, Xavier, and Dayton have been consistently strong in that conference.

[IWB]

Memphis lost to SLU in the tournament last year. I do not know where Temple finished in the A-10, but they certainly did not dominate it.

UJ - first off, please don't tell me you are trying to compare Memphis and St. Louis? Memphis is a top 20 team every year. SLU is not.

Next, comparing Temple & Dayton - A-10 standings for the last 5 years....

2012 - Temple 1st, St. Louis 2nd, Xavier 3rd, Dayton 6th
2011 - Xavier 1st, Temple 2nd, Dayton 9th, St. Louis 11th
2010 - Temple 1st, Xavier 2nd, St. Louis 4th, Dayton 7th
2009 - Xavier 1st, Dayton T-3rd, Temple T-3rd, St. Louis 9th
2008 - Xavier 1st, Temple, 2nd, Dayton 8th, St. Louis 9th

Temple - 2 firsts, 2 seconds, 1 3rd
Dayton - 1 3rd, 1 6th, 1 7th, 1 8th , 1 9th

[TheSultan]

100% disagree. No unconn or Cincy or any football teams. Look at mess of be right now. These teams will leave sooner or later and then it's right back to the same situation now trying to figure out who is invited and joins. Way all this realignment is going who knows where c7 league will even be when those schools would decide to leave. Take the best bball schools available now with 12 team league and build on that

This is exactly right. Because of the football money, football schools are going to look out for their football programs first and foremost. We want non-football schools that view this conference as their best option....and not looking to move elsewhere for the sake of their football program.

[IWB]

The thing is, if they aren't power conference worthy (Big 10, SEC, Big XII, PAC 12, ACC) then the football money should not be as big as the TV money for this conference. So, when you look at a school like Memphis, (don't get me wrong, I don't believe Memphis has a shot in new league) it would be their best interest to split and dedicate to two conferences.

Say the new Big East all sports conference gets a deal worth $3 mil per school. What if Memphis pulled out basketball? What would they get then? $2.5 mil? Then go to New Big East BBall conference and pick up another $1.5 for hoops. Wouldn't that be worth staying committed to both leagues?

[TheSultan]

The thing is, if they aren't power conference worthy (Big 10, SEC, Big XII, PAC 12, ACC) then the football money should not be as big as the TV money for this conference. So, when you look at a school like Memphis, (don't get me wrong, I don't believe Memphis has a shot in new league) it would be their best interest to split and dedicate to two conferences.

Say the new Big East all sports conference gets a deal worth $3 mil per school. What if Memphis pulled out basketball? What would they get then? $2.5 mil? Then go to New Big East BBall conference and pick up another $1.5 for hoops. Wouldn't that be worth staying committed to both leagues?

I can definitely see why Memphis and Temple want this option, but I just don't see the long-term benefits from the C7 perspective. Hybrid conferences IMO are inherently unstable.

[IWB]

I agree, just saying that the hybrids are unstable because they get raided by the bigger conferences. No bigger conference is ever going to take Temple of Memphis.

[MU/Panther]

It's my pipedream to create the best basktball conference possible while simultaneusly protecting yourself from another conference implosion.

We can always add Creighton, SLU and Dayton if the fball schools leave. Go and get top bball schools like Xav, Butler and memphis, uconn, cincy, temple (let them park their fball in CUSA or wherever and keep them as long as possible with the expectation that they may eventually leave).
-There is no given that they will be invited to the ACC, Big 12, etc
-It would create a much better bball conference for the time they are in the league
-The bball only schools still maintain a controlling majority vote in the league
-If they leave, the conference keeps their tourney credits which means more money for each school in the conference and SLU, Creighton and Dayton will still be waiting there to join

I understand that having departures from a new conference might not be the best move pr wise but I believe the pros outweigh the cons in my opinion.

Conf. USA, Sun Belt, Mt. West have their pride. Your in our league or not. They are not going to take their football, but not basketball.