Larry Brown and SMU Post Season Ban

[TheSultan]

There are pretty significant differences between SMU and UNC. In the SMU case, an athletic department academic advisor completed coursework for a student athlete under the guise of an assistant coach. A very specific case that was focused on the athletic department in clear violation of NCAA rules.

The UNC case was an institution wide issue that "benefited" both SAs and non-SAs. Believe it or not, the scope of the UNC scandal is probably a mitigating factor. And this is why the NCAA is going to have a problem. They aren't going to be able to prove that athletic department officials engaged in any wrong doing outside of "Hey, go to this class. It's easy."

[IWB]

That is true Sultan, but that doesn't mean the NCAA can't do something. The NCAA can always issue an athletic department wide penalty. Not fair? Too bad - blame it on the University that supported a fake class.

It was said above that so many of these penalties are not fair to the kids that weren't paid, that did it the right way etc. That is true, but the NCAA has to levy a punishment and that is the result. Why can't it be done on a University wide level? You created and supported a fake class? Every sport is banned from post season for one year and all academic records must be audited for 5 years. Tennis team says, "What? We didn't have anything to do with this?" Tough sh*t, your university cheated.

[IWB]

One more thing to add.....So many of the self proclaimed power five conferences are claiming that the NCAA should have less power, that they should go on their own. BS - the NCAA should have more power and they should be staffed to adequately enforce the rules that they have.

[TheSultan]

One more thing to add.....So many of the self proclaimed power five conferences are claiming that the NCAA should have less power, that they should go on their own. BS - the NCAA should have more power and they should be staffed to adequately enforce the rules that they have.

The Power 5 is making the NCAA the scapegoat for what is wrong with athletics. There is zero chance they are going to get significantly more funding for enforcement. In fact part of me wonders if the whole Penn State punishment was done as an overeach to make the NCAA look bad.

Look, the Power 5 has the money because they have most of the eyeballs. They are controlling college athletics right now.

[BLT]

Speaking of the UNC scandal, what in the hell is taking so long?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ncaa/31725969/

[TheSultan]

Speaking of the UNC scandal, what in the hell is taking so long?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ncaa/31725969/

The article addresses why.

"New information discovered by the University of North Carolina while preparing its response to alleged NCAA rules violations could further delay resolution to the years-long inquiry into bogus Afro-American Studies courses to help keep athletes eligible.

North Carolina athletics director Bubba Cunningham said Friday additional violations were discovered in women’s basketball and men’s soccer and submitted to the NCAA enforcement staff. The women's basketball violations are consistent, he said, with the NCAA’s allegation that former professor and women’s basketball tutor Jan Boxill provided improper academic assistance. They were discovered while the university was reviewing documents for public release related to the case."

[BLT]

The article addresses why.

"New information discovered by the University of North Carolina while preparing its response to alleged NCAA rules violations could further delay resolution to the years-long inquiry into bogus Afro-American Studies courses to help keep athletes eligible.

North Carolina athletics director Bubba Cunningham said Friday additional violations were discovered in women’s basketball and men’s soccer and submitted to the NCAA enforcement staff. The women's basketball violations are consistent, he said, with the NCAA’s allegation that former professor and women’s basketball tutor Jan Boxill provided improper academic assistance. They were discovered while the university was reviewing documents for public release related to the case."

I get that. It has been 4+ years and UNC is still throwing out further smoke screens and delays. Ridiculous and shameful. Nail their asses and be done with it.

[TheSultan]

They aren't going to nail their asses to the wall.

[IWB]

Sultan - a couple of things.....

Ok, I'm sorry, but the fact that your athletics director is named "Bubba Cunningham" should be reasonable cause to investigate the entire department right there.

Next - Yes you are correct that the power 5 have all of the eyeballs and they are controlling athletics. True, but that doesn't mean they should be able to cheat. Why did they go at Penn State so hard? Was it to make the the NCAA the scapegoat? No, it was done because the feds were involved with the investigation at Penn State. Get the feds involved and the Power 5 can't control and bury things.

Lance Thomas came to light because the authorities were involved - a sudden payoff to the jewelry store ended that. But why won't the authorities/feds/IRS get involved? Thomas' $90k necklace - where did the down payment come from? He had cash, likely a gift. If I got a gift of $35 let alone $35k, somehow some way the IRS would be 'adjusting my taxes'.

So why is it that these cheaters give kids cars, cash, their parents cars and cash and houses....why does the DOR or IRS never sniff that? NEVER! Sure, coaches will never turn each other in, but why won't the gov't go after the obvious? I was at a campus down South a few years ago. The basketball team was going through workouts. Right in from was a brand new hot rod of a car. (Can't remember, Mustang? Corvette? Goo, you were there). Anyway, it was obvious that it was a player's because his parking pass was hanging from the rearview. The assistant coaches all come out first, and they are all checking out this car - hearing them talk you knew they all wished they could have a car like that - but it was a 19 year old student's car, a basketball player that came from a poor background. Why are these things NEVER looked into by the local DOR or federal IRS? Probably too busy hitting up people for seat license fees.

[Phantom Warrior]

IWB,

You sound a bit IRRITATED!