I understand why all of you are upset and frustrated. Take this into account, how do you know the players are not about winning? How can you say they do not care? I know I have not been a fan as long as you this is only my 1st full year as a media member. But think about it, which player actually likes to lose? These guys hate it, but they still live their lives, no one plays the game to lose. Sure, you might want to fire the coach, but he stuck at Milwaukee, even when a Big Ten school in Nebraska showed interest. It has been a tough year thus far, but nobody can truly say the players do not care about winning, except the players themselves! They do not show up to practice, sweat, run, shoot, and bleed to lose. It is part of the game, they get out played period. Who's fault is that truly? Think about it honestly you are upset but are you trying to tell me Paris Gulley, and Juco transfers like Jordan Aaron who was given a chance by a D1 team plays to lose? They play hard shots don't fall and they get out played. Experience wins, and if Carmody is still a coach after 13 season, and no NCAA Tourney bid, and no Conference win percentage over 8 wins then relax. Think about it.