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[The Reptile]

Who was MIA? That's what I don't get. Many of these guys are doing quite a bit if you would simply bother to look. For example...

Kaepernick.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/08/coli...er-communities

Bennett.

http://www.king5.com/entertainment/t...ield/471806485

Ok. That’s one current NFL player. Where are the rest of the aggrieved? There were a lot more than one protesting.

And when you say these guys have done ‘a lot’ what constitutes ‘a lot’. Tweets are meaningless. Where is the real actions these guys have done. How much money have they raised? How many times were they arrested for ‘The Cause’? How many protests did they organize? How many public speeches did they give? How many interviews?

The folks you are defending have light resumes and appear to me like posers.

[TheSultan]

Ok. That’s one current NFL player. Where are the rest of the aggrieved? There were a lot more than one protesting.

And when you say these guys have done ‘a lot’ what constitutes ‘a lot’. Tweets are meaningless. Where is the real actions these guys have done. How much money have they raised? How many times were they arrested for ‘The Cause’? How many protests did they organize? How many public speeches did they give? How many interviews?

The folks you are defending have light resumes and appear to me like posers.

As I said many of them do a lot "if you simply bother to look." Apparently you haven't and you won't. That's as weak as you are accusing these guys of being.

[The Reptile]

As I said many of them do a lot "if you simply bother to look." Apparently you haven't and you won't. That's as weak as you are accusing these guys of being.

I read the news. Clearly, if they were that active it would be newsworthy. Clearly, it’s not even in today’s political climate and 24 hour news cycles. Sorry, that I’m seeking this information our up to your standards I truly have better things to do.

[TheSultan]

I read the news. Clearly, if they were that active it would be newsworthy. Clearly, it’s not even in today’s political climate and 24 hour news cycles. Sorry, that I’m seeking this information our up to your standards I truly have better things to do.

So you have time to make accusations but not time to make sure they are accurate?

Even weaker.

[The Reptile]

So you have time to make accusations but not time to make sure they are accurate?

Even weaker.

Weak is when someone changes the conversation because his proof isn’t good enough. Burden of proof isn’t on me it’s on you. I read and watched the news all off season and didn’t see any examples of what you claim. You gave two links and only one for an active player. If reality supports your claim you’d have more links of NFL players active in ‘The Cause’ during the last 9 months. Clearly, it doesn’t.

[TheSultan]

Weak is when someone changes the conversation because his proof isn’t good enough. Burden of proof isn’t on me it’s on you.

You were the one who made the initial assertion they don't do anything. I didn't change the conversation one bit. I showed players that do something, and you responded with "I read the news."

Look, just face it, you are just repeating lines you have heard elsewhere.

[The Reptile]

You were the one who made the initial assertion they don't do anything. I didn't change the conversation one bit. I showed players that do something, and you responded with "I read the news."

Look, just face it, you are just repeating lines you have heard elsewhere.

No, your assertion was many of these guys are doing tons of stuff in their communities and had only one example which may constitute tons in your mind but a rational person requires more proof. The truth is these guys are not living the cause.

My assertion was they did nothing in the offseason - no protests, no arrests for protesting, no community organizing, no editorials, no appearance on the Sunday talk shows. They did their off season workouts and got ready for the season - which is fine since it’s their jobs. But to come out again this season and protest after a 9 month hiatus is disingenuous.

So, feel free to continue to dodge the fact that you have no proof and you can’t walk the talk and I’ll wait for your next post void of any evidence, full of cute one liners designed to deflect attention away from your impotence and claims that I’m just not getting it.

[Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"]

Weak is when someone changes the conversation because his proof isn’t good enough. Burden of proof isn’t on me it’s on you. I read and watched the news all off season and didn’t see any examples of what you claim. You gave two links and only one for an active player. If reality supports your claim you’d have more links of NFL players active in ‘The Cause’ during the last 9 months. Clearly, it doesn’t.

Being active in the community isn't something that is usually on the news. People don't want that stuff on their news. Sure, they all say they want to see good news reported, but it's a lie. People turn in for the bad news. That's why that stuff leads the newscast, that's why major crime and disaster stories lead the news for days and weeks on end. Because if it's all good news, people don't bother to tune in. Anyway, here's a few local stories from the off-season:

• Dontari Poe, Atlanta Falcons Poe has his own foundation that does outreach in his hometown of Memphis as well as places he's played football: Atlanta, KC, and San Francisco.
• Lorenzo Alexander, Buffalo Bills Alexander took 57 Buffalo area kids shopping for school supplies.
• Christian Kirksey, Cleveland Browns Kirksey works with a football camp in his hometown.
• Virgil Green, Denver Broncos Green works with the United Way to get out in the community working with local schools and children
• Malcolm Jenkins & Torrey Smith, Philadelphia Eagles They've worked with former NFL player Anquan Boldin and led trips to meet with Congress, the Philadelphia mayor, and raised money for youth football organizations in Texas, among other things.

So that's about 15-20 minutes of me looking around. I'm not going to do research all day for you, but this is the tip of the iceberg. There are stories from players on every NFL team if you take the time to find them. These guys are out in their communities, are working with children, the police, and politicians, are donating money to help with hurricane cleanup, they are doing a lot.

[MUAlphaBangura]

Being active in the community isn't something that is usually on the news. People don't want that stuff on their news. Sure, they all say they want to see good news reported, but it's a lie. People turn in for the bad news. That's why that stuff leads the newscast, that's why major crime and disaster stories lead the news for days and weeks on end. Because if it's all good news, people don't bother to tune in. Anyway, here's a few local stories from the off-season:

• Dontari Poe, Atlanta Falcons Poe has his own foundation that does outreach in his hometown of Memphis as well as places he's played football: Atlanta, KC, and San Francisco.
• Lorenzo Alexander, Buffalo Bills Alexander took 57 Buffalo area kids shopping for school supplies.
• Christian Kirksey, Cleveland Browns Kirksey works with a football camp in his hometown.
• Virgil Green, Denver Broncos Green works with the United Way to get out in the community working with local schools and children
• Malcolm Jenkins & Torrey Smith, Philadelphia Eagles They've worked with former NFL player Anquan Boldin and led trips to meet with Congress, the Philadelphia mayor, and raised money for youth football organizations in Texas, among other things.

So that's about 15-20 minutes of me looking around. I'm not going to do research all day for you, but this is the tip of the iceberg. There are stories from players on every NFL team if you take the time to find them. These guys are out in their communities, are working with children, the police, and politicians, are donating money to help with hurricane cleanup, they are doing a lot.

Thanks for that research. I don't doubt there are some really quality human beings in the NFL that are really trying to make a difference. My question would be: Were any of these guys taking a knee? Again, almost impossible to research that. Don't think anyone could deny that many of the kneelers aren't doing anything to advance the cause outside of their demonstration in front of a camera.

[MUAlphaBangura]

After seeing the police video of Michael Bennett in Las Vegas, I don't care what he's doing in his community. He is an absolute p.o.s. Runs from the scene. Whines and cries like a little bitch. Lies about everything. Racially profiled by two Hispanic and one African-American officer? Right. He's making everyone that is legitimately trying to create a better environment have to work much harder to do so.