SJU Game Thread

Tough start here. SJU playing tough defense and getting open 3s...

Infruriating that we leave the one guy who can really hurt you from 3 wide open 3 times in the first few minutes of the game....

We also look like we have no idea what to do against the press.....lots of bad shots already

St Johns is so athletic but will make mistakes if you just play smart

Terrible ref crew and terrible perimeter defense. Not a good combination so far.

Add terrible defense and terrible shooting to the mix. Not a good combo indeed.

Wow.....this is so bad its hard to watch

This is ugly right now. Not doing enough to get the ball to the paint. Thomas just not doing anything on offense, Dawson not valuing possession, and awful defense on Harrison. Mayo picking up his regular road play. Frustrating stuff right now.

Nice start to the game, up 8-2 and then outscored 23-5. This team is really frustrating to watch.

Juan has zero confidence right now

It is amazing that this St Johns team is in last place........not sue what the game plan was but I don't think it was taking bad shot after bad shot and giving up dunks and wide open 3's to their best shooter.....

How is Dawson not valuing possession? Because he missed his shots? They were good shots to take, he missed them.

The awful D on Harrison is in large part Mayo. He is not a good off the ball defender.

It seems like Anderson hasn't made a layup since the ankle injury. A nice move to the hoop and he doesn't hit the iron.

Juan gets more iron on his threes than a smelting plant.

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Originally Posted by MUAlphaBangura

Terrible ref crew and terrible perimeter defense. Not a good combination so far.

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The officiating has nothing to do with this.

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Originally Posted by MUMac

How is Dawson not valuing possession? Because he missed his shots? They were good shots to take, he missed them.

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No paint touch on the three, had plenty of time left on the shot clock. The layup was in too much traffic and rushed. Neither were very good shots. I love his potential, but the game doesn't seem to have slowed down for him yet.

It seems often like Dawson sometimes wants too much to be the offense rather than to initiate it. When he's hot like he was against GT that's great, but when he's not, guys like him and Burton can really hurt us.

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Originally Posted by brewcity77

No paint touch on the three, had plenty of time left on the shot clock. The layup was in too much traffic and rushed. Neither were very good shots. I love his potential, but the game doesn't seem to have slowed down for him yet.

It seems often like Dawson sometimes wants too much to be the offense rather than to initiate it. When he's hot like he was against GT that's great, but when he's not, guys like him and Burton can really hurt us.

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Disagree completely with your analysis. But if you are going to single out Dawson on valuing possession, what the hell is Mayo?

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Originally Posted by GOMU1104

The officiating has nothing to do with this.

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It doesn't, but it's still bad officiating. On both ends.

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Originally Posted by MUMac

Disagree completely with your analysis. But if you are going to single out Dawson on valuing possession, what the hell is Mayo?

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Yep, Dawson took good shots. Just did not drop.

The whole offense is a mess...no ball movement.....trying to take it to the basket against the best shot blocker in the conference...no use of the ball fake....

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Originally Posted by GOMU1104

The officiating has nothing to do with this.

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Obviously not at this point Einstein. You can't tell me the first 5 minutes(when I made the comment) weren't filled with awful calls.

Point in case-- that last call on Todd! WTF!

Jamil forcing things now and then our guys don't even know who is covering who on the other end.......7-29 from the field......

How is that an offensive foul on Mayo? I agree that this crew has been horrible. That should have been an and 1

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Originally Posted by MUMac

How is that an offensive foul on Mayo? I agree that this crew has been horrible. That should have been an and 1

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Weird cal.....

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Originally Posted by MUMac

How is that an offensive foul on Mayo? I agree that this crew has been horrible. That should have been an and 1

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Agreed - crap call.

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Originally Posted by MUMac

Disagree completely with your analysis. But if you are going to single out Dawson on valuing possession, what the hell is Mayo?

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I'm not happy with Mayo or Derrick either right now. Mayo is up to his usual road poor play and Derrick isn't doing enough to get the ball inside. We are playing exactly like the bad Marquette scouting report.

That last play was prototype bad MU. Too much time wasted, no effort to go inside, Mayo gives it away easy. Bad team performance so far. But Dawson, Mayo, and Derrick (for different reasons) are killing our offense.

Also...more of Gardner spending too much time at the top of the key.

I think I've seen it all now....Derrick misses a free throw so badly that they get a fastbreak dunk on the other end......

This is about as poor as I've seen us play other then the Ohio state 2nd half....

Frustrating how bad D Wilson is from the line. That miss on the one & one is as bad as a turnover.

I am not sure why Buzz would play for the last shot considering they can't get anything going in 35 seconds anyway.

Terrible half. Not a single net positive contribution from any player save Jake Thomas.

I would throw Jamil into the discussion as well.....we can't have him be a complete non factor...not if we are going to win....the length, quickness and athleticsm of St Johns is just dominating the game

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Originally Posted by brewcity77

I'm not happy with Mayo or Derrick either right now. Mayo is up to his usual road poor play and Derrick isn't doing enough to get the ball inside. We are playing exactly like the bad Marquette scouting report.

That last play was prototype bad MU. Too much time wasted, no effort to go inside, Mayo gives it away easy. Bad team performance so far. But Dawson, Mayo, and Derrick (for different reasons) are killing our offense.

Also...more of Gardner spending too much time at the top of the key.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

I am not sure why Buzz would play for the last shot considering they can't get anything going in 35 seconds anyway.

Terrible half. Not a single net positive contribution from any player save Jake Thomas.

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Burton played well, but called for a couple of cheap fouls. That hurt.

Thomas passed up 3's late in the shot clock a couple of times that resulted in wild shots (one by Gardner) to beat the shot clock. He did play well, but he needs to take those shots. One was off of a screen for him.

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Originally Posted by Markedman

I would throw Jamil into the discussion as well.....we can't have him be a complete non factor...not if we are going to win....the length, quickness and athleticsm of St Johns is just dominating the game

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Agreed. Jamil has taken bad shots and has not contributed anything.

What's with JJJ's defense - been beaten like a drum off the dribble. Also, Mayo may be the most frustrating player I can remember at Marquette - I love the kid for one minute and the very next minute I wonder why he's getting any minutes. His defense and offense unfortunately have made me feel the latter in this game. But if history tells us anything, he'll get on a bit of a mini-streak in the 2nd half so you cant completely go away from him, right?

Watch the Dawson three attempt again. Dawson was covered close by a bigger defender, 20 seconds on the shot clock, 10 seconds since a PT and total loss of rhythm. Not a good shot.

Layup wasn't as bad as I remembered, he went into 1-on-3 but only because 2 of the guys didn't close in.

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Originally Posted by MUMac

Burton played well, but called for a couple of cheap fouls. That hurt.

Thomas passed up 3's late in the shot clock a couple of times that resulted in wild shots (one by Gardner) to beat the shot clock. He did play well, but he needs to take those shots. One was off of a screen for him.

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Burton's cheap fouls were due to his poor defensive positioning which I will blame on his poor high school coaching. I think he may be stifled a little bit this year just due to the amount ha has had to learn, cuz he didn't learn anything at Vincent. Hope he can just start to play instead of being a step behind cuz he is thinking too much.

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Originally Posted by Markedman

I would throw Jamil into the discussion as well.....we can't have him be a complete non factor...not if we are going to win....the length, quickness and athleticsm of St Johns is just dominating the game

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Agreed. Not a lot of guys doing what we need to do to win right now. Jamil taking bad shots is something we really can't afford.

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Originally Posted by MUAlphaBangura

Burton's cheap fouls were due to his poor defensive positioning which I will blame on his poor high school coaching. I think he may be stifled a little bit this year just due to the amount ha has had to learn, cuz he didn't learn anything at Vincent. Hope he can just start to play instead of being a step behind cuz he is thinking too much.

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He also got caught twice on screens leading to jump shots...he just doesn't seem to know what is going on at times. Watches the ball too much.

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Originally Posted by brewcity77

Agreed. Not a lot of guys doing what we need to do to win right now. Jamil taking bad shots is something we really can't afford.

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Primary evidence why Jamil isn't an NBA player. Too much length and athleticism bothers him.

Is this team tired today with the game only 40 hours after PC...? Seem to be a step slow today. SJU had 2 extra days to rest and prepare and is playing at home...

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Originally Posted by Nukem2

Is this team tired today with the game only 40 hours after PC...? Seem to be a step slow today. SJU had 2 extra days to rest and prepare and is playing at home...

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That might be part of it, but that's what you have to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Nukem2

Is this team tired today with the game only 40 hours after PC...? Seem to be a step slow today. SJU had 2 extra days to rest and prepare and is playing at home...

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I was wondering the same thing, as SJU looks like an NBA team athletically compared to us. That being said, I don't think it has much to do with tired legs but certainly could be wrong.

Also, what is up with Juan's total lack of confidence to the point that he is nervous shooting layups (as seen by not even drawing rim) the last few games?

Unfortunately he has alot of company.......

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

He also got caught twice on screens leading to jump shots...he just doesn't seem to know what is going on at times. Watches the ball too much.

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