Some of this loss is on us, the fans

I have been griping about this for years but it was so obvious today. OSU had its big run, when it actually put the game away, in the first four minutes of the second half. The BC was dead at the start of the half because the "fans" were still in the concourse and the Courtside Club socializing. There was no juice to start the half--none. OSU came out tough and there was no fan input to attempt to stem the tide. I am dead serious about this and I know some at MU have been concerned about this in the past. Obviously, it really pisses me off.

27 game home court winning streak pretty much blunts that argument.

Well maybe they should make the beer lines shorter, Gato! I think you are reaching with that one! Do you think Jake Thomas would hit a shot if the fans were in their seats, or Dwill would be a better point guard if the fans were not in the bathroom line?

Gato, I was thinking the EXACT same thing...OSU went on their run and I thought, "nice to see all the fans back in their seats to help them through this". It pisses me off too. there really is ZERO excuse for not being in your seat by 2nd half tip. None. In 10 years I have NEVER missed and opening tip, or a tip in the 2nd half.

No. I think we would have more intensity to start the second half. I am serious about the fact that MU hoops people have noticed this before and see it as a problem. They are not able to do anything about it because the BC wants to sell the beer et al. There were discussions about blinking the lights or some other warning but they cannot do it. This does have an effect--otherwise, is home court advantage just a mirage?

Sorry but this is one of the dumbest things that is always brought up here. It's almost as bad as the guys who always blame the refs. Yes the crowd no doubt makes a difference but these guys should be able to play for a few minutes without a loud supportive crowd for 2 minutes. OSU was better, plain and simple.

I hate that folks come in late, but the real story was that Matta adjusted things at halftime and MU did not respond well. Need to get the frosh into the action, as the Wilson/Thomas backcourt is simply limited.

I completely agree with this post. I don't think it has much effect on the game, but it's very annoying and disrespectful when people do this in the beginning of the second half.

Even better when you see a group of four people sitting together and they all come back one at a time during this time. It really is the worst part of any MU game by far.

OSU was better? They totally sucked today in almost every statistical category, except 2nd half shooting. We had a great opportunity to win this game with the way OSU played. They played like crap and we were worse. We needed a strong home court advantage and there is no way we could say that advantage existed in the first four minutes of the second half. It just so happened that Ohio State broke open the game when our home court advantage was minimized. I am not saying it is cause and effect, I am saying it is a factor.

To answer your question: yes, OSU was better, period.

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Originally Posted by Gato78

OSU was better? They totally sucked today in almost every statistical category, except 2nd half shooting. We had a great opportunity to win this game with the way OSU played. They played like crap and we were worse. We needed a strong home court advantage and there is no way we could say that advantage existed in the first four minutes of the second half. It just so happened that Ohio State broke open the game when our home court advantage was minimized. I am not saying it is cause and effect, I am saying it is a factor.

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That makes no sense.

Turn the monitors off then, and people will be in their seat. I can tell you I am typically one of the guilty ones. I don't think it impacts the game though.

Sure it does. It is not the sole cause, it is a cause that combined with others that produced the result.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

That makes no sense.

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What I noticed at the game and believe, in part, what Gato is discussing is the lack of energy from the fans. Those that are coming back late are disengaged. They disrupt those of us in our seats. MU does feed off the fans energy and there was none.

That said, DWill's two and Jake's one missed three attempts led to points on the other end. Poor shooting and poor defense gave OSU am early sizable lead that MU could not overcome. Still, these fans are annoying.

MU went 12 minutes without a field goal and had 4 in the 2nd half and you want some of the blame to go to the fans?!?

2 of those 4 field goals in the 2nd half came in the first 2:30 when the fans were still in the concourse.

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Originally Posted by MUMac

What I noticed at the game and believe, in part, what Gato is discussing is the lack of energy from the fans. Those that are coming back late are disengaged. They disrupt those of us in our seats. MU does feed off the fans energy and there was none.

That said, DWill's two and Jake's one missed three attempts led to points on the other end. Poor shooting and poor defense gave OSU am early sizable lead that MU could not overcome. Still, these fans are annoying.

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Agree and disagree. There was a lot of energy at the BC today. The fans were ready to get loud but just never had anything to cheer about especially in the second half.

The problem with people showing up late in the second half is that everyone is doing it at a different time. The 2500 people in the lower bowl that aren't in their seats are all coming back at different times. Not only are those people disengaged but it also disengages the other people that were sitting down as well. I feel that people should be able to enjoy the game how they want to and if they want to sit out in the hall for a few min extra then that's their decision, but they should at least wait to come back till the 16 min timeout.

I think this thread is a major reach. Title it something like it inconveniences you as a fan who is already in his/her seat when the late folks get back, but don't try to link the teams performance to late arriving fans. Seems like major excuse making to me.

Absolutely. As stated, OSU was there for the taking. They played like crap, too. We were in this game, tied at half, and they started the second half hot and we lost contact. Obviously we cannot score points in bunches. The 1st 4 minutes of the second half determined the outcome.

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Originally Posted by mutpm

MU went 12 minutes without a field goal and had 4 in the 2nd half and you want some of the blame to go to the fans?!?

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Originally Posted by Gato78

Absolutely. As stated, OSU was there for the taking. They played like crap, too. We were in this game, tied at half, and they started the second half hot and we lost contact. Obviously we cannot score points in bunches. The 1st 4 minutes of the second half determined the outcome.

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Yeah, but it wasn't because of the fans. It was because OSU's guards were attacking more. (Reason we went into zone.)

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Originally Posted by Gato78

Absolutely. As stated, OSU was there for the taking. They played like crap, too. We were in this game, tied at half, and they started the second half hot and we lost contact. Obviously we cannot score points in bunches. The 1st 4 minutes of the second half determined the outcome.

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I have aisle seats and am back for the start of the 2nd half, so I understand the frustration of people not being back. With that said, MU started the 2nd half shooting 2-6. They finished 2-18. Their best stretch of shooting today was with the fans not back in their seats. It didn't matter if fans were in their seats or not, they couldn't make shots today. MU only shot 20.7% in the 1st half and that was with the fans into the game. There are just some days the team isn't very good and today was one of them.

I agree with this. It's a minor inconvenience and it annoys me but this is definitely not something I notice unless MU is losing. I wouldn't even notice if they were winning to be honest. I don't think it has much of an effect on the game, if any.

The BC and or MU needs to do something to let the fans in the corridor know that the 2nd half is starting. There's no way to know from some of the bar areas.

Dim the lights or something.

I agree with Gato. People need to make it a priority to make it back to their seats. The energy really helped us in the first half but in the second half by the time everyone made it back by then it was pretty much too late. Why wouldn't people want to at least try to make a difference?

So MU has no chance to win on the road this year since they need 17,000 people in the seats cheering wildly for them to stay in the game? Fans can help a team, but when a team shoots 18% and commits 4 turnovers on in-bounds passes, there's not much the fans can do.

I am not at every game, but made it up today with my son. At the half, I went to the bathroom. The lines were crazy long, and I'm talking about the men's room. Was going to buy another beer, but those lines were really long as well. Looked in to check the time and there was 2 minutes til 2nd half.

Sure there might have been some people mingling out there. But the bathroom and food lines were really long and some people may have wanted to get back on time, but couldn't.

And for the record, I think it has nothing to do with winning or even playing well.

Home court means nothing in sports, right? Of course not, teams have better records at home vs. the road. If home court means something, how can it be credibly said that fans have no impact on the game?

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Originally Posted by Gato78

I have been griping about this for years but it was so obvious today. OSU had its big run, when it actually put the game away, in the first four minutes of the second half. The BC was dead at the start of the half because the "fans" were still in the concourse and the Courtside Club socializing. There was no juice to start the half--none. OSU came out tough and there was no fan input to attempt to stem the tide. I am dead serious about this and I know some at MU have been concerned about this in the past. Obviously, it really pisses me off.

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This is complete bullsh#t. You suck Gato.

The BC hit its peak for noise and fan support during the UConn game that Dominic James got hurt in. To this day, I have never heard the BC louder. It was like MECCA that day.

It hasn't been even close to being that loud since.

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Originally Posted by Gato78

Home court means nothing in sports, right? Of course not, teams have better records at home vs. the road. If home court means something, how can it be credibly said that fans have no impact on the game?

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Of course it means something. Familiar rims, sleeping in your own bed, etc. To nitpick it down to fans getting back to their seats a couple minutes late is reaching. The team wasn't good today. That's why they lost. There is no need to make excuses.

Blaming the fans. Lol.

This board is falling apart today.

You one of my brothers?

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Originally Posted by DavidBoone2inchesTaller

This is complete bullsh#t. You suck Gato.

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MU expert/chief flame thrower Butch Badger weighing in on the fan seating comment. :)

http://buckyville.yuku.com/topic/678...U#.UogVmZRARhQ

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Originally Posted by WindyCityGoldenEagle

Sorry but this is one of the dumbest things that is always brought up here. It's almost as bad as the guys who always blame the refs. Yes the crowd no doubt makes a difference but these guys should be able to play for a few minutes without a loud supportive crowd for 2 minutes. OSU was better, plain and simple.

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It's not dumb and here's the answer for the lower level people who go under the lower level for halftime or even before the game. If you stay in the lower level establishment too long, you stay there until the 16 minute timeout. Put someone at the tunnel to monitor this and put out an email to the season ticker holders. This is what they use to do at high school games years ago so the players and other fans weren't disrupted. Too tough to monitor the people who use the upper concourses, but you can monitor the lowest level.

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Originally Posted by TedBaxter

It's not dumb and here's the answer for the lower level people who go under the lower level for halftime or even before the game. If you stay in the lower level establishment too long, you stay there until the 16 minute timeout. Put someone at the tunnel to monitor this and put out an email to the season ticker holders. This is what they use to do at high school games years ago so the players and other fans weren't disrupted. Too tough to monitor the people who use the upper concourses, but you can monitor the lowest level.

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Ted, it is dumb! It is dumb as this is being portrayed as a reason MU lost the game. I would say zero effect. I do agree that it is a bother to other fans, and maybe they should have to wait for a timeout or stop in action to climb over other people in their seats. As one of the prime offenders of this rule, I would have no problem staying out on the concourse for a stoppage in the action.

I watch games on TV and the lower bowl has a ton of people who haven't returned from halftime. I didn't say it was a reason we lost. I say it because it's disrespectful to the players, the other fans at the game and looks like **** on TV!!!!

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Originally Posted by TedBaxter

I watch games on TV and the lower bowl has a ton of people who haven't returned from halftime. I didn't say it was a reason we lost. I say it because it's disrespectful to the players, the other fans at the game and looks like **** on TV!!!!

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I agree with all of that, but Gato who started this thread, said "Some of this loss is on us, the fans", I couldn't disagree more with that commentary.

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Originally Posted by mufansince72

I agree with all of that, but Gato who started this thread, said "Some of this loss is on us, the fans", I couldn't disagree more with that commentary.

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Fine, that is your opinion (the same one who was incensed at the MUHS team for jumping on your precious high school logo, yet this one is garbage? WOW). Remember, your opinion is yours and yours alone. Some may agree with you (idiots?), some may not. So you disagree, so what?

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Originally Posted by MUMac

Fine, that is your opinion (the same one who was incensed at the MUHS team for jumping on your precious high school logo, yet this one is garbage? WOW). Remember, your opinion is yours and yours alone. Some may agree with you (idiots?), some may not. So you disagree, so what?

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Blaming the actions of the fans for a loss just wreaks of excuse making, as does blaming the officials. As far as jumping on another teams hs logo, that is just dis-respect, and I stand by that! If Gato would have stated that it is disrespectful to the team, disrespectful to the other fans to return to your seat late, I would agree 100%. To say it has anything to do with a loss, I could not disagree more.

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Originally Posted by mufansince72

Blaming the actions of the fans for a loss just wreaks of excuse making, as does blaming the officials. As far as jumping on another teams hs logo, that is just dis-respect, and I stand by that! If Gato would have stated that it is disrespectful to the team, disrespectful to the other fans to return to your seat late, I would agree 100%. To say it has anything to do with a loss, I could not disagree more.

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Again, it is your opinion. Not that I respect it, but yours alone. Gato did not say it was the reason, but at a key point in the game, it had an impact. You disagree, again, so what?

I mentioned the MUHS incident, as I think that speaks to your thought process. Again, one I do not share in any way, shape or form.