Fresno St Game Thread

Marquette is favored by 19 tonight. What you think too high too low? Can we get a 100?

Realized I didnt even tell you my pick. I think we get a "Benjy" 101- 79

This game might be closer than most think. Fresno had a tough start after losing top players to graduation. But, it does have road victories at Oregon St. and Drake. Not always easy to win on the road. Jerry Wainwright will be on the bench with Fresno.

I say blowout city - marq by 26

Wow no energy here hope there is more energy on this thread!

MU starts out 4-5 from three. This team can shoot it!

#mubb Traci Carter being held out of tonight's game with knee soreness.

Where is Cheathem?

What does Katin Reinhardt do well? What does he do to "earn" this much playing time?

Talk about the tale of two cities, wow!

I don't get the rotations in 2H. Wilson and Cheathem barely played

When we are good, we are real good. However, when the most mature players on the team are your freshmen, there will be some wild swings. Still like this team a lot on the whole, but expect there be great wins and head scratching losses along the way.

Wojo is polish for "can recruit, can't coach in second half for worth a ****"

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Originally Posted by geneseewarrior

Wojo is polish for "can recruit, can't coach in second half for worth a ****"

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Gone to that "Polish for..." well a bunch, hey?

Not sure why Katin played so much and Haani sat. Beyond that, I don't know what Wojo should have done. Maybe given a zone look to try and disrupt them a bit? Luke and Heldt were outmatched by the widebody. They couldn't get around him to front, and once he caught and went into the body, it was curtains.

Musta been how other fans felt when Davante played for us.

Glad to see folding against Pittsburgh taught us a ton

Needed to double on the Davante clone when he put it on the floor. Have to make some decisions on guarding Happ in that situation Saturday. Hoping Gard doesn't low post him and rather keeps him moving around inside and outside.

I think Matt is right. I like this team but there will be nights that we will look bad this year......it has happened in years when we had much better teams. Teams with size and length are going to give us problems.

Ohio state lost to Florida Atlantic tonight.......it can happen to good programs and good coaches.

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Originally Posted by Markedman

#mubb Traci Carter being held out of tonight's game with knee soreness.

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Someone should have told Peter Gillen that. He kept saying he was in the game or should be in the game the entire telecast.

As good as they shot in the first half, they shot equally bad in the second half. They had good shots...they just couldn't make anything.

Couple that with a lack of energy from the players (and the pathetic crowd...sounded and looked embarrassing on TV) after they got the big lead and the momentum just vanished.

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Originally Posted by bleedbluegold03

Glad to see folding against Pittsburgh taught us a ton

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Me also since they won.

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Originally Posted by DCwarrior

(and the pathetic crowd...sounded and looked embarrassing on TV) after they got the big lead and the momentum just vanished.

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So, it looked like every "buy game" on TV.

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Originally Posted by kneelb4zerg

Me also since they won.

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Don't mistake the level of opponent for improvement in play. That performance last night is an L for all but St Johns or DePaul in conference play.

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Originally Posted by MU/Panther

So, it looked like every "buy game" on TV.

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It's the schedule. The home non conference schedule is terrible. Why should people pay and show up?

Why should non die hard MU fans pay for season tickets? If you buy 2 tickets, and seat prices are $30 per game, you have just spent $360 on the slate of 6 games Rockhurst, Howard, IUPUI, Houston Baptist, Western Carolina, and Fresno State, plus a seat license and have yet to see a good team. Were those games worth $360 plus? Now add in St. Francis and SIUE and it is $480. Is that worth it when MU doesn't sell out and you can get tickets to any game, and watch any game on TV?
Wisconsin is the only decent non conference game.

Now add into that the students on campus (Frosh - Seniors) have never been in school when we had a team worthy of the NCAA. MU basketball haven't given the students that are on campus a reason to care, or show up. I don't blame the students, watch on TV with friends.

Schedule some decent non conference home games and maybe students and basketball fans will come, but I don't blame them for not coming.

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Originally Posted by Goose85

It's the schedule. The home non conference schedule is terrible. Why should people pay and show up?

Why should non die hard MU fans pay for season tickets? If you buy 2 tickets, and seat prices are $30 per game, you have just spent $360 on the slate of 6 games Rockhurst, Howard, IUPUI, Houston Baptist, Western Carolina, and Fresno State, plus a seat license and have yet to see a good team. Were those games worth $360 plus? Now add in St. Francis and SIUE and it is $480. Is that worth it when MU doesn't sell out and you can get tickets to any game, and watch any game on TV?

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And all of those games outside of Rockhurst and HBU are weeknights. I'd think there'd at least be a small bump if a few of those were on a Saturday afternoon.

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Originally Posted by Goose85

It's the schedule. The home non conference schedule is terrible. Why should people pay and show up?

Why should non die hard MU fans pay for season tickets? If you buy 2 tickets, and seat prices are $30 per game, you have just spent $360 on the slate of 6 games Rockhurst, Howard, IUPUI, Houston Baptist, Western Carolina, and Fresno State, plus a seat license and have yet to see a good team. Were those games worth $360 plus? Now add in St. Francis and SIUE and it is $480. Is that worth it when MU doesn't sell out and you can get tickets to any game, and watch any game on TV?
Wisconsin is the only decent non conference game.

Now add into that the students on campus (Frosh - Seniors) have never been in school when we had a team worthy of the NCAA. MU basketball haven't given the students that are on campus a reason to care, or show up. I don't blame the students, watch on TV with friends.

Schedule some decent non conference home games and maybe students and basketball fans will come, but I don't blame them for not coming.

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In addition, MU plays in an enormous venue. 18,600 capacity is very large for buy games against IUPUI, Houston Baptist, Howard and Western Carolina. Heck, Villanova plays plenty of games against lesser opponents in their 6,500 seat capacity Pavilion. Or Duke, with a capacity of 9,314. Xavier and Butler never looks empty on TV because their capacity is 10,250 and 9,150 respectively. Creighton has the best attendance in the conference given the fact the place always looks full despite a capacity of 17,390. The new arena in Milwaukee will be approximately 17,500.

Add in the fact that the BC was designed for hockey with more seats in the upper bowl than the lower bowl...and of course it will not look great on TV for some buy games. In the new arena, designed for hoops, there will be more seats in the lower bowl than the upper level. Plus, there will be standing areas in the upper level of the new arena....not just continuous seating all the way around the upper level like in the BC. With the ability to curtain off some areas for lower attended games. That will help the empty warehouse perception (upper level) on TV for games against cupcakes.

MU has been Top 25 in attendance annually for a while now. Student support may be down, but likely do to the fact that the team has been missing the NCAA tournament and posting a losing record in conference under Wojo. For non-students, more specifically recent graduates, economic conditions/disposable income might factor in a bit as well in watching on TV versus buying tickets.

Bottom line, winning and having a few good non conference home games will cure all. As more games are available to watch, less need to attend games in person.

Good points about the upper v. lower number of seats in the new venue as well. Also the number of seats in many college venues. Heck, a few years back Duke didn't sell out all of their student seats because the home slate was so bad (good schedule, just good games were at neutral sites or on the road).

I think before we pass judgement on all things, lets wait for the conference season play out and then draw our conclusions.

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Originally Posted by Goose85

It's the schedule. The home non conference schedule is terrible. Why should people pay and show up?

Why should non die hard MU fans pay for season tickets? If you buy 2 tickets, and seat prices are $30 per game, you have just spent $360 on the slate of 6 games Rockhurst, Howard, IUPUI, Houston Baptist, Western Carolina, and Fresno State, plus a seat license and have yet to see a good team. Were those games worth $360 plus? Now add in St. Francis and SIUE and it is $480. Is that worth it when MU doesn't sell out and you can get tickets to any game, and watch any game on TV?
Wisconsin is the only decent non conference game.

Now add into that the students on campus (Frosh - Seniors) have never been in school when we had a team worthy of the NCAA. MU basketball haven't given the students that are on campus a reason to care, or show up. I don't blame the students, watch on TV with friends.

Schedule some decent non conference home games and maybe students and basketball fans will come, but I don't blame them for not coming.

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I think you are talking two different things here. If you pay for your tickets you should show up. That being said, many might have money which they don't care if they come. Some buy season tickets in their way of supporting MU sports. What ever happened in just supporting your team. Plus, if folks don't want to come, GIVE YOUR TICKETS AWAY! That is why we did on your Marquette Club Card will be giving out a gift to those who have perfect attendance.

As for the students. MU has sold about 3,000 student season tickets and we can get 1/3 to attend a game for 2 hours.

Last, Fresno State was the Mountain West Champions, which is a great game to have for a buy game.

I totally agree and understand the non diehard not buying season tickets.

Anyone watching the NC/Davidson game?

The upper deck was maybe 25% full. Even if I am off, it was 33% full plus there were empty seats on the lower level. This for the #7 team in the country playing an in state team that has had a lot of success over the years.

I think this isn't a Marquette problem, it is a college sports problem.

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Originally Posted by IrwinFletcher

Anyone watching the NC/Davidson game?

The upper deck was maybe 25% full. Even if I am off, it was 33% full plus there were empty seats on the lower level. This for the #7 team in the country playing an in state team that has had a lot of success over the years.

I think this isn't a Marquette problem, it is a college sports problem.

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I watched Creighton - Nebraska. Sell-out.

College sports problem? Depends on where the college is located. When the college is the only show in town, attendance grows.

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I didn't get a season ticket this year because I wasn't sure I'd be in town still by season's end. Opted for the 4 pack instead for $30/seat, totaling $240 with two seats. Season tickets for last year were around $600 bucks for one a few rows up from my 4 pack. I could buy every home big east match (6 more over the 4 pack) and still end up a few hundred ahead for having 2 tickets to big games versus adding in all the small fries for the year. The only benefit to season tickets at this point is getting a few rows closer for the big ones...no brainer to me

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Originally Posted by bleedbluegold03

I didn't get a season ticket this year because I wasn't sure I'd be in town still by season's end. Opted for the 4 pack instead for $30/seat, totaling $240 with two seats. Season tickets for last year were around $600 bucks for one a few rows up from my 4 pack. I could buy every home big east match (6 more over the 4 pack) and still end up a few hundred ahead for having 2 tickets to big games versus adding in all the small fries for the year. The only benefit to season tickets at this point is getting a few rows closer for the big ones...no brainer to me

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What about the blanket?????