Bo Ryan doesn't make Basketball Hall of Fame

But Tom Izzo did....

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No Potrykus byline and it Doesn't say who wrote the article.... hmmmm

Not many "modern" college coaches have gotten in without a D1 national championship. Lou Carnesecca, Ray Meyer (who inexplicably got in in 1979 while it took Al until 1992), and Guy Lewis are examples. I think Bo is a good coach, but does he reach *that* level good?

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

Not many "modern" college coaches have gotten in without a D1 national championship. Lou Carnesecca, Ray Meyer (who inexplicably got in in 1979 while it took Al until 1992), and Guy Lewis are examples. I think Bo is a good coach, but does he reach *that* level good?

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Good point Sultan. Rick Barnes may be very similar to Bo Ryan.

Barnes made the NCAA tourney his last 3 years at Clemson (he was there 4 years), and then 14 straight at Texas, including a final four and a couple elite 8s. Before taking over Tenn this past year he made the tourney in 19 of his last 20 years as head coach. Seems similar to Ryan, yet I don't consider Barnes a hall of famer.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

Not many "modern" college coaches have gotten in without a D1 national championship. Lou Carnesecca, Ray Meyer (who inexplicably got in in 1979 while it took Al until 1992), and Guy Lewis are examples. I think Bo is a good coach, but does he reach *that* level good?

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He will probably get it ultimately, but its probably too early given that lack of a Div I championship. Those Div 3 championships will help him get in along with the two Final 4s.

He belongs in the HoF in my opinion. Too good for too long not to be

I guess it really depends how you want to classify a hall of famer, he certainly was consistently good for a very long time, was he great? for two years yes, but other than that he was just consistently good, which to me isn't a hall of famer...

Bo is carrying a little baggage right now. Not a palatable choice until some time has passed. Besides, who would be the woman behind the man?

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Originally Posted by Gato78

Besides, who would be the woman behind the man?

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Never stop recruiting, hey?

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

Not many "modern" college coaches have gotten in without a D1 national championship. Lou Carnesecca, Ray Meyer (who inexplicably got in in 1979 while it took Al until 1992), and Guy Lewis are examples. I think Bo is a good coach, but does he reach *that* level good?

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yes

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Originally Posted by WindyCityGoldenEagle

yes

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Would you think Rick Barnes is hall of fame level?
What about Bob Huggins. He has taken teams to two final fours and two elite eight appearances (2) at two different schools. A run of 19 out of 20 years making the big dance while coaching 3 different teams.

Bo coached 16 years at the D1 level if you don't include this year. In those 16 D1 seasons, he made it past the Sweet 16 3 times.

Without a D1 national title, and advancing past the sweet 16 just 3 times, that to me doesn't really seem like a hall of fame resume. Maybe I am not giving credit to D3 coaching, but normally hall of fame is not because you did well at the D3 level.

Why would anyone think that douchebag deserves to be in the hall of fame?

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Originally Posted by Goose85

Would you think Rick Barnes is hall of fame level?
What about Bob Huggins. He has taken teams to two final fours and two elite eight appearances (2) at two different schools. A run of 19 out of 20 years making the big dance while coaching 3 different teams.

Bo coached 16 years at the D1 level if you don't include this year. In those 16 D1 seasons, he made it past the Sweet 16 3 times.

Without a D1 national title, and advancing past the sweet 16 just 3 times, that to me doesn't really seem like a hall of fame resume. Maybe I am not giving credit to D3 coaching, but normally hall of fame is not because you did well at the D3 level.

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Agree that his D3 coaching shouldn't be included, nor was I including it in my answer.

Your bolded comment, while all a fact is a great example of how one can make numbers look in their favor by omitting key metrics. He won 4 Big Ten regular season titles, 3 Big Ten tourney titles, went to 14 straight NCAA appearances including 4 S16s, an E8, F4 and runner up.

No doubt about it, he probably left some significant opportunities on the table during his NCAA tournaments. However, in the history of college bball only 31 coaches have been to 3 or more FF's so to make the case that not winning it all or only going to 2 FF's makes him not elite is incorrect in my opinion. Bob Huggins is a HOF'er, just as Rick Barnes is in my opinion. Just because someone never wins the big one, doesn't preclude them from being considered an elite HOF coach.

Only a select few coaches have produced that level of consistency for that long of a duration with multiple deep runs which makes Bo an elite coach deserving of the HOF.

(I am currently wiping the filth off my computer board after typing that as I hate Bo as much as the next guy, but he's deserving of the HOF someday).

Screw D3, when I was at Whitewater we kicked his ass :) This D3 stuff is ********. His team was in the NAIA. He routinely took 3rd or 4th in the WSCUC. Everyone else was NCAA D3. He was in the NAIA so he got to go to their tourney.

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Originally Posted by WindyCityGoldenEagle

Agree that his D3 coaching shouldn't be included, nor was I including it in my answer.

Your bolded comment, while all a fact is a great example of how one can make numbers look in their favor by omitting key metrics. He won 4 Big Ten regular season titles, 3 Big Ten tourney titles, went to 14 straight NCAA appearances including 4 S16s, an E8, F4 and runner up.

No doubt about it, he probably left some significant opportunities on the table during his NCAA tournaments. However, in the history of college bball only 31 coaches have been to 3 or more FF's so to make the case that not winning it all or only going to 2 FF's makes him not elite is incorrect in my opinion. Bob Huggins is a HOF'er, just as Rick Barnes is in my opinion. Just because someone never wins the big one, doesn't preclude them from being considered an elite HOF coach.

Only a select few coaches have produced that level of consistency for that long of a duration with multiple deep runs which makes Bo an elite coach deserving of the HOF.

(I am currently wiping the filth off my computer board after typing that as I hate Bo as much as the next guy, but he's deserving of the HOF someday).

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I hate to say that I think he should be in too, but I agree with you 100%. I just puked a little up in my mouth.

This Bo HOF crap is just ridiculous in my opinion. Is Billy Donavan in the HOF? He was a damn good player and won championships at Florida. How about Bill Self. He won championship as well, he is not there. What the hell has Bo ever done?

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Originally Posted by mufansince72

Screw D3, when I was at Whitewater we kicked his ass :) This D3 stuff is ********. His team was in the NAIA. He routinely took 3rd or 4th in the WSCUC. Everyone else was NCAA D3. He was in the NAIA so he got to go to their tourney.

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Bo was in the NAIA his first six seasons. Didn't win any championships. In his seventh season, the first in the NCAA, he won his first national championship.

D3 titles should count for something.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

Bo was in the NAIA his first six seasons. Didn't win any championships. In his seventh season, the first in the NCAA, he won his first national championship.

D3 titles should count for something.

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They should, whatever the hate we all may have for things Bucky an Bo.

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Originally Posted by Nukem2

They should, whatever the hate we all may have for things Bucky an Bo.

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I think we should put Dave Vandermuellen in the HOF then

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Originally Posted by mufansince72

This Bo HOF crap is just ridiculous in my opinion. Is Billy Donavan in the HOF? He was a damn good player and won championships at Florida. How about Bill Self. He won championship as well, he is not there. What the hell has Bo ever done?

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Billy Donovan will be in the hof. Bill Self will be in the hof.

Bo will someday be in the hof. Take off the blue and gold colored glasses and objectively look at the resume of Bo. I laid it out for you in a previous post yet you keep saying what has he ever done? So rather than me posting what he has done again for you, I'll ask this - what is it on Bo's resume (or missing from his resume) in comparison to other hof college coaches that should preclude him from the hof?

Here's a link to all the coaches inducted including their accomplishments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...l_Hall_of_Fame

A few quick examples from the list - Lou Carnaseca, Pete Carrill, John Chaney - you're going to tell me these hof coaches resumes are that much more than Bo's to not even warrant discussion of Bo being in the hof? Please...I'd take Bo's resume over all 3 of those guys in a heartbeat.

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Originally Posted by WindyCityGoldenEagle

Billy Donovan will be in the hof. Bill Self will be in the hof.

Bo will someday be in the hof. Take off the blue and gold colored glasses and objectively look at the resume of Bo. I laid it out for you in a previous post yet you keep saying what has he ever done? So rather than me posting what he has done again for you, I'll ask this - what is it on Bo's resume (or missing from his resume) in comparison to other hof college coaches that should preclude him from the hof?

Here's a link to all the coaches inducted including their accomplishments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...l_Hall_of_Fame

A few quick examples from the list - Lou Carnaseca, Pete Carrill, John Chaney - you're going to tell me these hof coaches resumes are that much more than Bo's to not even warrant discussion of Bo being in the hof? Please...I'd take Bo's resume over all 3 of those guys in a heartbeat.

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What is missing? I would say a ring for starters.

He just compared him to three HOF coaches without rings. That was his point.

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Originally Posted by mufansince72

I think we should put Dave Vandermuellen in the HOF then

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He won two and never coached D1 as a head coach.

Really you are being intentionally obtuse now.

Like carnasecas, carrill and cheyneys rings?

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

He won two and never coached D1 as a head coach.

Really you are being intentionally obtuse now.

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Then the other guys shouldn't be in the HOF either.

Bo can have his own little hall of fame with Rick Pitino. The credentials that Bo have do not even merit remote consideration in my opinion. Then you combine it with the douchebaggedness, and it is a complete no go.

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Originally Posted by mufansince72

Then the other guys shouldn't be in the HOF either.

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In the current Hall of Fame voting/induction standard, Bo absolutely belongs. A lot of similar/slightly worse coaching resumes are already in the Hall.

Now, I would argue that the Hall of Fame in basically every sport has too low of a standard for induction. If you limited induction to the truly elite players and coaches, Bo would not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

Here is a question - I see that Gard just won the College Inaider Jim Phelan Coach of the Year award.

So, if Gard was 15-8 with that group, yet Bo was only 7-5 with losses to teams like UWM, Western Illinois, Marquette and Georgetown, what does that say about Bo's coaching vs Gard's?

All I know is that Billy D has back to back National Championships, 3 elite 8's, and another final four and is not in the HOF. So all of you who are crying because Bo and his two final fours, no championships, and a couple of D3 championships is being screwed are crazy.

Jay Wright > Bo

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Originally Posted by mufansince72

All I know is that Billy D has back to back National Championships, 3 elite 8's, and another final four and is not in the HOF. So all of you who are crying because Bo and his two final fours, no championships, and a couple of D3 championships is being screwed are crazy.

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I don't believe anyone said he was "screwed." They said he was deserving. If Donovan gets in first, I don't think many would argue. It's not as though they will only allow one more coach in. Usually there is one or two every year.

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Originally Posted by Jim Ganzer, "IWB"

Here is a question - I see that Gard just won the College Inaider Jim Phelan Coach of the Year award.

So, if Gard was 15-8 with that group, yet Bo was only 7-5 with losses to teams like UWM, Western Illinois, Marquette and Georgetown, what does that say about Bo's coaching vs Gard's?

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Gard could be better than Bo, who knows only time will tell. That's a completely different discussion.

But I assume your question was asked in jest? A half a year snapshot, should not have much of a negative impact on Bo's on the court legacy which should be held in a pretty damn high regard imo.

I think it just means with everything that was going on it was time for Bo to go.

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Originally Posted by Markedman

I think it just means with everything that was going on it was time for Bo to go.

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Apparently that's what she said. :cool: