Tulane to the Big East

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Originally Posted by MU88

So, replace UC, Temple, Memphis, Houston, UCF, USF, SMU and Tulane with Butler, Xavier, St. Louis and St. Joe's (Memphis will not join a non-football league). Don't see much added value. UC to X is a step down. Temple and Memphis to Butler and SLU is probably a step down. St. Joe's is no better than the rest, with SMU and Houston probably having more potential. Plus, your tv contract would be smaller. I don't see where this gets you.

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It gets you entirely away from football.

You are assuming Cinncinati stays, that isn't a given. Also who says Memphis wouldnt split up their programs? They would still have a place to play football and could possibly make more on their basketball.

Something to take solace in is that this all takes place in 2014, or two seasons from now

I will be floored if something doesn't take place from now until then that doesn't either A. shift the Big Easy's conference make up (unexpected departure) or B. shift's Marquette's allegiance; remember, 12 month's ago no one saw Rutgers departing or TCU not coming in.

I trust this institution, its leaders, and most importantly its alumni / boosters too much to allow for Marquette to start the 2014-15 season with the current projected programs in this "conference"

I am just so happy that our AD is concentrating on smoothing out the rough edges of our coach.
Let' see, accomplishments of recent ADs at Marquette:
Our last AD - Hired Buzz and lead us into the BEast,
The one before that - built the Al, got us into the BEast, hired Crean who lead us to a Final Four.
Current one - Um, pissed off the most popular and successful coach since Al.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...oin-acc-source

Right. You're assuming Louisville and Cincy will be there. Still, I'd rather have Xaiver than Cincy. I think Butler is as good as Memphis. Temple is probably better than SLU. Still, by adding these crappy football schools, it makes it harder to add any value in the future. I guess by doing that, you are admitting that the Big East has no options to add ACC schools like Duke or Wake. Instead, it's just a conference with a downwards direction. I know football attracts more money, but at some point, will the football product even be attractive to any networks? If Louisville and Cincy leave, then you are down to adding those schools you mentioned instead of Tulane. At what point in your mind, MU88, is it no longer attractive to try to save the Big East as a football conference? I was against the Bball only, but Louisville and Cincy leaving would be my breaking point.

Tough times for some schools, Marquette included.

Nonetheless, Conference USA never included Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's Temple, Seton Hall and Providence so saying MU is moving "back" to C-USA isn't exactly accurate.

Not sure where all this will end, but at this point, the Big East is just trying to remain afloat. Sounds likely both UConn and Louisville are headed elsewhere.

I've heard potential divisions of the new Big East for basketball could include ...

Division A
Marquette
Georgetown
Villanova
Memphis
Temple
Cincinnati
De Paul

Division B
Providence
South Florida
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Central Florida
Seton Hall

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Originally Posted by Mucrisco

Right. You're assuming Louisville and Cincy will be there. Still, I'd rather have Xaiver than Cincy. I think Butler is as good as Memphis. Temple is probably better than SLU. Still, by adding these crappy football schools, it makes it harder to add any value in the future. I guess by doing that, you are admitting that the Big East has no options to add ACC schools like Duke or Wake. Instead, it's just a conference with a downwards direction. I know football attracts more money, but at some point, will the football product even be attractive to any networks? If Louisville and Cincy leave, then you are down to adding those schools you mentioned instead of Tulane. At what point in your mind, MU88, is it no longer attractive to try to save the Big East as a football conference? I was against the Bball only, but Louisville and Cincy leaving would be my breaking point.

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At this point in time, you can't leave the BE unless:

1) You get invited to another BCS conference (ain't happening); or

2) It financially makes sense.

2 may happen, but probably not for 5-6 years when the NCAA credits of UL, UConn, ND, WV, Syracuse and Pitt disappear. If all three UConn, UC and UL leave, then you have to decide if there is a football playing school that is available that you can live with. Can you live with a Buffalo or a Miami of Ohio as a full member? If not, I would vote note to admit any more football playing members. With that, you effectively have forced the seven football playing full members to find a new home. You haven't dissolved the conference, but you have made the football full members unwelcome in the conference. You can now cherry pick any A-10/MVC/Horizon/Colonial schools you want to get to 10 or 12. TV money will go down, but you have a whole bunch of exit fees and NCAA credits to ease you pain.

Good Lord that 2nd division is a pushover

Mark, any reason your division break out doesn't take into consideration the eventual deflection of Cincy?

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Originally Posted by Mark Miller

Tough times for some schools, Marquette included.
Division A
Marquette
Georgetown
Villanova
Memphis
Temple
Cincinnati
De Paul

Division B
Providence
South Florida
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Central Florida
Seton Hall

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Assuming UofL, Cincy, and UConn leave, just make the divisions the football/basketball schools, so the eventual split will just go smoother. (I noticed you included Cincy but not St. Johns)

North
Marquette
DePaul
Georgetown
Providence
St. Johns
Seton Hall
Villanova

South
Memphis
Temple
USF
UCF
Houston
SMU
Tulane