Game thread....

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Originally Posted by kneelb4zerg

It's team defense. The rotations are slow. Not all his fault just bc he's the guy matched up positionally. All our guys were a step slow on d. That's a credit to nova and it's also been a problem for us all year when we face teams with good perimeter players z

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Team D was bad, I agree. DWill was beaten early and often at the point of attack. He greatly contributed to the poor defense. Nova had their way with he and Jake today.

Mayo was also horrible on d. In OT, he was awful on d.

Dawson may have played poorly on d, but as far as the guards go, he was not alone.

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Originally Posted by kneelb4zerg

Fine but the entire team was torched not just Derrick. And even when they missed we couldn't get the rebound. Derricks fault also, or can we spread the blame around to someone else instead of constantly ripping on this guy?

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Can you stop with the constantly ripping of Dawson, as well? That is how this started. Some of us wanted more than 8 minutes of Dawson today. You tore into his defense, which led to the discussion of the defensive lapses of Wilson. Your defense of his porous defense was to blame the team d, but the problem with Dawson was solely his (as I read your comments).

Let's face it, DWill did not do much to stay in front of his man today. It was not a pretty defensive display, as his man continually broke down MU's defense.

EDIT: my point in this is that all the guards played poorly on d. Dawson was not alone, but his defensive lapses are the reason why he did not play in the 2nd half? He feeds the post much better than DWill and that is where MU had the advantage all game. I thought he deserved some run in the 2nd half. That is all. I don't mean to attack DWill, that was not my intent. But the complaints of Dawson were the same that could be of DWill today.

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Originally Posted by Gato78

Dawson was torched in the first half.

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When MU was letting players get by them in the second half, Derrick, Todd and Jake could have used a blow and that's why I said John should have played. He hit one of the two three pointers on the night, so he might have sprung one of those as well.

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Originally Posted by TedBaxter

When MU was letting players get by them in the second half, Derrick, Todd and Jake could have used a blow and that's why I said John should have played. He hit one of the two three pointers on the night, so he might have sprung one of those as well.

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Yep. And, when John is in the offense actually works well. The idea is to out score the opponent.

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Originally Posted by Nukem2

Yep. And, when John is in the offense actually works well. The idea is to out score the opponent.

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Gotta get stops though. The offense was plenty good enough today. Trying to imagine how it could have been better but I can't. Buzz said as much in the post game.

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Originally Posted by kneelb4zerg

Gotta get stops though. The offense was plenty good enough today. Trying to imagine how it could have been better but I can't. Buzz said as much in the post game.

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The offense could have been better, but it's hard when you ply 3 on 5 with Derrick and Jake as a combo. Was at the game and it was clearly obvious. MUs offense was basically Davante, Todd and Jamil going one on one.

We scored 85 points. Shot 50%. Not sure what the efficiency was / I think Buzz said like 1.16. That's good. Defense and second chance points were bad. yet people continue to blame Derrick. It's getting ridiculous and has been ridiculous all. Year. Long.

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Originally Posted by kneelb4zerg

We scored 85 points. Shot 50%. Not sure what the efficiency was / I think Buzz said like 1.16. That's good. Defense and second chance points were bad. yet people continue to blame Derrick. It's getting ridiculous and has been ridiculous all. Year. Long.

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Point is that most of the offense was one on one. And Derrick and Jake were thrashed on the other end ( and they had 74 minutes ). Open thy eyes. Watching Derrick dribble aimlessly and jake being simply face guarded is hard to watch. I think Derrick is actually ok, but combined with Jake ( or vis-a-versa ) is quite simply an exercise in futility. Great young guys and great teammates, but a bad combo on the court. Their strengths and weaknesses do not mesh well together. Even the announcers have said that. 9 losses in 20 games is proof of that.

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Originally Posted by Nukem2

Point is that most of the offense was one on one. And Derrick and Jake were thrashed on the other end ( and they had 74 minutes ). Open thy eyes. Watching Derrick dribble aimlessly and jake being simply face guarded is hard to watch. I think Derrick is actually ok, but combined with Jake ( or vis-a-versa ) is quite simply an exercise in futility. Great young guys and great teammates, but a bad combo on the court. Their strengths and weaknesses do not mesh well together. Even the announcers have said that. 9 losses in 20 games is proof of that.

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I don't know why I get in these pointless debates. First you said the offense could have been better. Now it's the defense. Which is exactly what I said. My point was the offense was more than enough today.

MU peed down their legs. Period. End of story. Their season went up in smoke, in the first 3 minute stretch of OT. Game...set..season. The tourney won't be the same without MU. I for one, won't be watching it.