Dave Cooks out as coach at Marquette High

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Originally Posted by MUMac

I see a difference in the social aspect as well as the after grad. My kids feel a part of a family - the Edgewood family. Just the same as I have felt as part of the Marquette family. I suppose it is wasting money on sending a child to MU with all these wonderful public university options, right?

Yes it was a financial sacrifice, but one that my wife and I (along with our children) were happy to make each day. You continue with the financial judgments based on your decisions. Man, you are something else!

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I'm not being judgemental at all Mac ! I don't see the value! I'm glad you do

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Originally Posted by eddiedswang

72......it's more than just religion. It's the constant competition each day with kids who actually have to do the work or they get bounced...it's having 80 kids try out for a baseball team because they all are pretty good.....it's being surrounded by those motivated individual kids who win all of those ancillary sport titles every year (tennis, golf, etc)....it's being held accountable for your work in and out of school. It's alot of stuff.

Most of these kids at MUHS won't score 34 or 35 on their ACT, but the average is 27 (which is highest in the state). Last I looked in 2012, 99% went on to college (with the other 1% being drafted to play pro hockey or taking a year off to travel).... I too question the $$$$$ part and do not enjoy the academic struggles, immense competition for playing time and politics, but my kid needs the discipline. It sucks to deal with every day, but I am betting on the future. Images of the vacation we didn't take or the new car I don't have flash in my head. Trust me.

You are lucky. You are not the rule. Your boys will be successful in going to a good college because of good parenting and the fact that they took elevated classes at their high school with the top 15%. Plus, they are great kids! The other 85% of the kids at their school are happy piddling along, playing x-box and hanging out with no homework each night. And it's even worse at the public schools in Milwaukee. You are the exception.

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The only comment I will make on this, and believe me I don't mean this as criticism, is that I think it does do kids some good to be in school with "the other 85%." Kids from different backgrounds of all types.

The only criticism I ever had about my experience at MU was that 80% of the people were pretty much the same type of person. Largely middle to upper middle class, white, Christian, etc. Not that it is bad because I pretty much fit that description, but coming from a pretty diverse public school, it was a bit of a culture shock in reverse. I also found that *some* of the people that came from the private schools didn't have a great deal of empathy for those who were different from them.

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Originally Posted by eddiedswang

72......it's more than just religion. It's the constant competition each day with kids who actually have to do the work or they get bounced...it's having 80 kids try out for a baseball team because they all are pretty good.....it's being surrounded by those motivated individual kids who win all of those ancillary sport titles every year (tennis, golf, etc)....it's being held accountable for your work in and out of school. It's alot of stuff.

Most of these kids at MUHS won't score 34 or 35 on their ACT, but the average is 27 (which is highest in the state). Last I looked in 2012, 99% went on to college (with the other 1% being drafted to play pro hockey or taking a year off to travel).... I too question the $$$$$ part and do not enjoy the academic struggles, immense competition for playing time and politics, but my kid needs the discipline. It sucks to deal with every day, but I am betting on the future. Images of the vacation we didn't take or the new car I don't have flash in my head. Trust me.

You are lucky. You are not the rule. Your boys will be successful in going to a good college because of good parenting and the fact that they took elevated classes at their high school with the top 15%. Plus, they are great kids! The other 85% of the kids at their school are happy piddling along, playing x-box and hanging out with no homework each night. And it's even worse at the public schools in Milwaukee. You are the exception.

This thread has taken many directions....when it comes to high schools and paying or not paying, I guess "beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder" .....but I hope MUHS will get a basketball coach who can accept the type of student-athlete who attends MUHS and use this to his benefit. They will never be King or Vincent. The BIGS that made Germnatown and Tokoto-led Meno Falls will never come because they will not get out of their village's "feeder system." MUHS is not Dominican where "stars" are run in each year. Many of these kids do not want to pay the academic price. It's all about their sport. City kids from the disgusting MPS system struggle at MUHS and many leave after one year. So, it is tough keeping those athletes. In the past, they have gone to King and other schools.

MUHS needs to find a Dick Basham type of basketball coach. Those who attened MUHS will know why.

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is this an insinuation that the kids that attend Dominican do so because the academics at Dominican are inferior to MUHS? strange comment if this is indeed what you meant.....furthermore, I think this thread has run its course.....

This is an incorrect stereotype about MUHS, to wit: a rich kids school, mostly white. MUHS, especially with Fr. Sazama at the helm, has always been dedicated to diversity, at least since my time there in the '70s. The minority population percentage at MUHS right now is greater than the percentages of the nation as a whole. MUHS also does everything it can to keep the less well off kids in the school with after hours programs, dinner and tutoring, a bit like Nativity Jesuit Middle School. MUHS is largely made up of kids in the middle class. Most students receive some form of financial aid and the school is honing in on a scholarship drive to help with those in the middle. One of MUHS's goals is to ensure cost is never a factor in attending the school. There are some rich kids there but the other guys make them fall in line, for the most part, since they are actually a minority. There is a great deal of racial, ethnic and income diversity at the school.

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Originally Posted by MUMac

Again with the judgmental crap. Give me a break. Who are you to decide who is "rich" enough to spend money on their children's education? Your pomposity and ignorance are blending into one big mess. You might just want to quit with your analysis.

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Mac, only one in this thread being judgemental is you! I would think with your education that you would understand the concept of cost-benefit. In my individual circumstances I don't see the upside of spending 40K plus per child to send them to a private school. I have acknowledged that there are other factors besides cost that play into an individual families decision on where to send their kids to school. I'm just expressing my sentiments, in my situation, that it makes more sense to spend the 40 grand on college. Things may be different for you! I personally don't think any of my children's outcomes would have changed dramatically one way or another if I sent them to MUHS, or anyone of the suburban school districts. I happen to be blessed though with three kids who have always been high academic performers.

Another note regarding the "rich kid school" thought process that many don't realize......There are many kids at schools like Marquette, Pius, DSHA, Dominican......that, like me, worked their way through school and paid their own tuition. And yes, I am talking about high school.

I had two paper routes and worked at McDonald's as well as for another company in high school to pay my tuition as my family couldn't afford it and the older kids in our family showed me the way. I know many that did the same. I do know some that do that at Pius High right now. I actually told that to someone about a year ago and he dragged his kids over and made me tell them.

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Originally Posted by mufansince72

Mac, only one in this thread being judgemental is you! I would think with your education that you would understand the concept of cost-benefit. In my individual circumstances I don't see the upside of spending 40K plus per child to send them to a private school. I have acknowledged that there are other factors besides cost that play into an individual families decision on where to send their kids to school. I'm just expressing my sentiments, in my situation, that it makes more sense to spend the 40 grand on college. Things may be different for you! I personally don't think any of my children's outcomes would have changed dramatically one way or another if I sent them to MUHS, or anyone of the suburban school districts. I happen to be blessed though with three kids who have always been high academic performers.

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Speaking of education, if you use yours, you will understand this comment to be judgmental. "I don't know how in this day and age anyone can justify 10K for high school." It came from you, not me. I stick by what I stated and for the record, I did not read any of the other pablum in your above post beyond the first sentence. Frankly, you are not worth the time or effort.

Look up judgemental Mac! I would be passing judgement if I said you were stupid for spending the money!

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Originally Posted by mufansince72

I would be passing judgement if I said you were stupid for spending the money!

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Well, with this statement you were pretty much saying that.....

"I would think with your education that you would understand the concept of cost-benefit."

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Originally Posted by Jim Ganzer, "IWB"

Well, with this statement you were pretty much saying that.....

"I would think with your education that you would understand the concept of cost-benefit."

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Well, since the guy is calling me pompous and ignorant, I think he can take the little "xxxxslap" I threw his way!