Some of this loss is on us, the fans

So what? I thought the purpose of message boards was to give opinions! I don't expect you to agree with all of my opinions, just as I only agree with a portion of your opinions.

Man, I cannot believe the reading comprehension. We played like crap. That is why we lost. Our shooting was horrendous. Couldn't make a layup. The key time in the game was the first 4 minutes of the second half when OSU took the lead, created space and then never let us get back. One of the contributing factors to that run was an absolutely dead BC while people continued to socialize at half time. Not a new phenomenon. The dead atmosphere negated our home court advantage for that stretch. I really believe it was a factor. It was not the reaon we lost, it was a factor in the key stretch of the game that put us behind. In big games we need to capitalize on every advantage. We gave up one of those advantages during a key time in the game.

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Originally Posted by Gato78

Man, I cannot believe the reading comprehension. We played like crap. That is why we lost. Our shooting was horrendous. Couldn't make a layup. The key time in the game was the first 4 minutes of the second half when OSU took the lead, created space and then never let us get back. One of the contributing factors to that run was an absolutely dead BC while people continued to socialize at half time. Not a new phenomenon. The dead atmosphere negated our home court advantage for that stretch. I really believe it was a factor. It was not the reaon we lost, it was a factor in the key stretch of the game that put us behind. In big games we need to capitalize on every advantage. We gave up one of those advantages during a key time in the game.

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As I said, the purpose of message boards is to give opinions. I don't agree with this one, but typically agree with most of yours.

How can you say in one sentence that we played like crap, and that is why we lost, and then go two sentences later, and say that the fans in the concourse created a dead atmosphere that negated our home court advantage and was a factor? They seem like very connected concepts to me.

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Originally Posted by Gato78

Man, I cannot believe the reading comprehension. We played like crap. That is why we lost. Our shooting was horrendous. Couldn't make a layup. The key time in the game was the first 4 minutes of the second half when OSU took the lead, created space and then never let us get back. One of the contributing factors to that run was an absolutely dead BC while people continued to socialize at half time. Not a new phenomenon. The dead atmosphere negated our home court advantage for that stretch. I really believe it was a factor. It was not the reaon we lost, it was a factor in the key stretch of the game that put us behind. In big games we need to capitalize on every advantage. We gave up one of those advantages during a key time in the game.

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I'm with you. I also think the problem exacerbated by really big games like this where there are lots of casual fans who don't care so much about the game.

Interesting twist. I have read some articles lately about stadium design. In this case specifically for football, but I could see this happenning with a replacement Bradley Center too. The concept being having far less seats, but having more space with restaurants, bars, and other social activities. The concept being that you get people in the building by having a general admission ticket. You get to experience the buzz of the building, but get the advantage of also being is a sports bar type atmosphere. If you guys think this is a problem now, it is most likely only going to get worse.

During pregame introductions, the lower bowl is half empty, except the student section. Far worse than halftime. Same is true for Brewers games as tailgaters trickle in. The bathroom situation in the BC is bad for those not in the Donor Clubs at halftime. And today, the BC was not staffed up for the noon game...folks were trying to get lunch with the odd start time. The BMO saved the payroll for the Bucks game apparently.

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Originally Posted by mufansince72

Blaming the actions of the fans for a loss just wreaks of excuse making, as does blaming the officials. As far as jumping on another teams hs logo, that is just dis-respect, and I stand by that! If Gato would have stated that it is disrespectful to the team, disrespectful to the other fans to return to your seat late, I would agree 100%. To say it has anything to do with a loss, I could not disagree more.

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I think many factors play into a win or a loss. Don't think they are EXCUSES as you apparently do. I think the two atrocious calls at the end of the 1st half that took away two baskets for us played a factor in the game. Coulda been up 22-14 with those points, but two blown calls changed that. Who knows what happens if we are up 8. Did it cost us the game? No, but it played a role in the outcome.
Did the fans lack of fandom at the start of the 2nd half play a role? I believe yes. I am always back in my seat for the 2nd half, and rarely get to see any action for the first 3-4 minutes because of people coming back late. I can't cheer if I can't see what the hell is going on.
Did Buzz's decisions play a role in the outcome? Absolutely. Did our guys porous 2nd half defense and inability to put the ball in the hole play a role? Again, absolutely.
All of these things , IMHO, are a factor in each and every game we play. They are not excuses. Nobody says any ONE of these things decided the game, but I don't have a problem analyzing each of these things and how they relate to our team's performance. After all, it's what we do here on these boards.

It was 25-23 with 17:30 to go. MU lost this game in the stretch after Gardners basket with 13:30 to go cut the lead to 7. They were out scored 15-2 over the next 8:30. That's the stretch that killed the team, not the first 3 minutes of the 2nd half.

It is a personal frustration of mine having to get up multiple times to let people in, but I still find it weak sauce to put any of the blame on yesterday's performance on the fans.

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Originally Posted by Gato78

You one of my brothers?

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We are all brothers, are we not?

I agree with Gato. The begining of the game the place goes nuts. It is crazy. It is an awesome atmosphere. The beginning of the second half is dead. 1/2 the stadium is empty. Then, when people are trying to watch the game they can't, as every 2 minutes someone in front of you comes back, or someone in your row comes back and they don't wait until the action stops, no, they ask you to stand up and move right as a play is being run. It sucks.

There are two problems that I see, one you can do something about, one you can't.

1) A lot of MU fans have friends that are MU fans. Might be people you went to school with and have known for years, may be people you just know through Marquette basketball. Pre-game and half time is the ONLY time you see these people. Take the Fighting 218 - I love talking to those guys, but outside of MU games, I never see them, so halftime is the only time I see them. I do however bolt before 2nd half starts. Not a lot can be done about this.

2) It was mentioned above, but long lines for concessions/beer. This has driven me nuts for years. Yes, I know it is great that people volunteer to work and money goes to their charity. You have this at MU games, Bucks games, Packers games, Brewers games. It is great as these non profits raise a lot of money. However, it slows everything down. YOu go up, order two beers, the lady goes back, tells the guy pouring what she wants, she stands there waiting for him to pour them, then she comes back, takes the time to figure out the cash register and then starts the actual transaction. I assure you, 2 bartenders from any downtown bar could keep those people moving. You need people back there that know what they are doing, people that are used to a massive rush. I know, the charities....but it sucks for customers.

Solution...... Look at what other schools do. Some stadiums give the lights a flicker with a 1 minute warning. Some have curtains at each aisle and won't let people go until the action stops. DO THIS!!!!! As soon as someone wants to go back to their seat and can't until the action stops, it won't take long to correct the issue.