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03-22-2015, 07:05 PM
warriorfan4life

For the whole of the season, the Big 12 and Big East are the two best leagues (in that order). When the bottom third of the ACC stops resembling the Southern Conference, I'll take their vote as the best league.
03-22-2015, 07:06 PM
MUBasketball

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markedman

I don't get it? He said something positive about the ACC and you are responding after Big 12 losses? What does the Big 12 have to do with the ACC?

Maybe I misunderstood you?

Pretty hard to argue that hat the ACC has been the class conference so far. Pac 12 has been pretty impressive as well.

Yeah, ACC and Pac 12 have been incredible.

Point is, he slams the Big East when their champion lost last night. Today, Big 12's champion gets pounded by a "mid major" Wichita State. That eliminated 5 of the Big 12's 7 teams in the tournament. I would think if he's being fair and objective that would also be worthy of the same smart ass crap he was saying last night.
03-22-2015, 07:06 PM
MU/Panther

I think Kansas fans are getting sick of Marv Albert doing there games. They get bounced.
03-22-2015, 07:10 PM
kneelb4zerg

I stopped following Rothstein bc I couldn't handle another 'Death. Taxes. Bo Ryan.' tweet.
03-22-2015, 07:11 PM
MUBasketball

Quote:

Originally Posted by kneelb4zerg

I stopped following Rothstein bc I couldn't handle another 'Death. Taxes. Bo Ryan.' tweet.

I'm convinced he's a virgin.
03-22-2015, 07:26 PM
Halo

Amazing what a dumb team Oregon is. Just chucking up 18 footers with noone to rebound. Badgers will blow them out with this game plan. How can a coach be this dumb after playing them already once?
03-22-2015, 07:31 PM
Nukem2

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Originally Posted by Halo

Amazing what a dumb team Oregon is. Just chucking up 18 footers with noone to rebound. Badgers will blow them out with this game plan. How can a coach be this dumb after playing them already once?

This is not the same Oregon team as last year. Lots of changes along with the assualt charges. This team is basically Young, Cook and leftovers....
03-22-2015, 07:35 PM
Halo

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Originally Posted by Nukem2

This is not the same Oregon team as last year. Lots of changes along with the assualt charges. This team is basically Young, Cook and leftovers....

Same coach though. How many shots outside of the paint that are not 3's does UW take? It's either a 3 or in the paint. Pretty simple. UW gives you the 17 footer all game, but will not let you shoot the 3's if possible.
03-22-2015, 07:39 PM
MayorBeluga

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Originally Posted by MUBasketball

I'm convinced he's a virgin.

Rothstein or Bo?
03-22-2015, 07:39 PM
WindyCityGoldenEagle

Quote:

Originally Posted by warriorfan4life

For the whole of the season, the Big 12 and Big East are the two best leagues (in that order). When the bottom third of the ACC stops resembling the Southern Conference, I'll take their vote as the best league.

I think ACC fans would say when the top 1/3 of the Big East stops resembling the Pac 12 they will take your vote as to what is the best league.

What would you rather have a league with a great 1/3, solid 1/3 and bad 1/3 or a league with a good 8/10 and a bad 2/10? I'd take the former ten times out of ten and it's not even close imo.
03-22-2015, 07:43 PM
MU/Panther

Jon Rothstein gives one of the best information out there. When he speaks his mind about things is when things go south.
03-22-2015, 07:44 PM
warriorfan4life

Quote:

Originally Posted by WindyCityGoldenEagle

I think ACC fans would say when the top 1/3 of the Big East stops resembling the Pac 12 they will take your vote as to what is the best league.

What would you rather have a league with a great 1/3, solid 1/3 and bad 1/3 or a league with a good 8/10 and a bad 2/10? I'd take the former ten times out of ten and it's not even close imo.

See, give me depth. Want as many partners as possible to be strong.
03-22-2015, 07:44 PM
MU/Panther

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nukem2

This is not the same Oregon team as last year. Lots of changes along with the assualt charges. This team is basically Young, Cook and leftovers....

Don't forget Bill Walton's favorite in Snoop Dog.
03-22-2015, 08:02 PM
Markedman

Zags are really good......hope this is the year they make f4
03-22-2015, 08:03 PM
TedBaxter

Love Sabonis as an NBA prospect.
03-22-2015, 08:16 PM
MU/Panther

Good for Len Elmore calling out Bo Ryan for being an ass to Lewis Johnson.
03-22-2015, 08:24 PM
Mucrisco

The Big East and the Big 12 are not the two best conferences. This isn't college football. Forget about the RPI and all the computer crap. You want to be peaking at the end of the year and you want to win on the court when it matters. I'd rather tell someone that I'm better because I beat them, rather than some computer telling meI'm better. The tournament is what matters, not the RPI.
03-22-2015, 08:29 PM
kneelb4zerg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mucrisco

The Big East and the Big 12 are not the two best conferences. This isn't college football. Forget about the RPI and all the computer crap. You want to be peaking at the end of the year and you want to win on the court when it matters. I'd rather tell someone that I'm better because I beat them, rather than some computer telling meI'm better. The tournament is what matters, not the RPI.

But we did beat them - in Nov/Dec.
03-22-2015, 08:30 PM
MUwarrior1090

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Originally Posted by Mucrisco

The Big East and the Big 12 are not the two best conferences. This isn't college football. Forget about the RPI and all the computer crap. You want to be peaking at the end of the year and you want to win on the court when it matters. I'd rather tell someone that I'm better because I beat them, rather than some computer telling meI'm better. The tournament is what matters, not the RPI.

So one game between 2 unfamiliar teams decides which conference is better? I'll take the whole non conference season when conferences are constantly tested against each other.
03-22-2015, 08:32 PM
warriorfan4life

So I take it that November-February does not matter? The most popular sports league in the world (English Premier League) crowns a champion without playoffs.
03-22-2015, 08:32 PM
MU/Panther

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mucrisco

This isn't college football. Forget about the RPI and all the computer crap. I.

College football doesn't have the BCS anymore.
03-22-2015, 08:35 PM
Nukem2

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Originally Posted by MU/Panther

College football doesn't have the BCS anymore.

Still have some BS however in its selection process :)
03-22-2015, 08:45 PM
Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"

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Originally Posted by warriorfan4life

So I take it that November-February does not matter? The most popular sports league in the world (English Premier League) crowns a champion without playoffs.

It does, and I'm a fan of how it's handled over there, but American audiences are different and judge by the finish, not the start. I do think there's definitely some fool's gold with how much we value playoffs, but it is what it is.
03-22-2015, 08:48 PM
TheSultan

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Originally Posted by warriorfan4life

So I take it that November-February does not matter? The most popular sports league in the world (English Premier League) crowns a champion without playoffs.

That's not here though where playoffs are what matters.
03-22-2015, 08:52 PM
kneelb4zerg

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Originally Posted by Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"

It does, and I'm a fan of how it's handled over there, but American audiences are different and judge by the finish, not the start. I do think there's definitely some fool's gold with how much we value playoffs, but it is what it is.

Really I think you are overdoing this and going too far worrying about the common person/ESPN perception of our league. As long as we keep recruiting well the league will be fine. A potential recruit is not going to be persuaded but what media hacks say. The decision is much more nuanced and personal. And I don't think recruits listen to sports talk radio.
03-22-2015, 08:55 PM
Mucrisco

This is college basketball not soccer. It matters to the kids. The journey is really what matters for them. But for the fans, you talked to the average fan and they will tell you who did well in the march. Let's go back to that thread that talked about the losses that still haunt them. How many people talked about the tournament and how many people talked about the regular season?
03-22-2015, 08:58 PM
Mucrisco

Quote:

Originally Posted by MU/Panther

College football doesn't have the BCS anymore.

The regular season is a bigger deal in college football. You need to do that to get into the playoffs.

My point about the RPI is, who cares if a computer says your better. Results on the court are what matters. That's why the tournament is a bigger deal.
03-22-2015, 08:58 PM
MU/Panther

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nukem2

Still have some BS however in its selection process :)

It wasn't computers.
03-22-2015, 08:58 PM
mufansince72

If Bucky plays like they did tonight UNC will blow them out of the gym.
03-22-2015, 09:02 PM
Markedman

I think sports nerds(like us) spend way too much time worrying about our conference is better then your conference.....2 weeks from now nobody will care. Gonzaga and Wichita State aren't worried about conference strength....just play good basketball and win a bunch of games and things will work out fine.
03-22-2015, 09:06 PM
MU/Panther

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mucrisco

The regular season is a bigger deal in college football. You need to do that to get into the playoffs.

My point about the RPI is, who cares if a computer says your better. Results on the court are what matters. That's why the tournament is a bigger deal.

Well you need data to select the 36 at-large, so you need a tool like the RPI.
03-22-2015, 09:13 PM
Markedman

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Originally Posted by MU/Panther

Well you need data to select the 36 at-large, so you need a tool like the RPI.

And it's kind of hard to have a high RPI without winning a lot of games on the court against good teams
03-22-2015, 10:11 PM
Markedman

So it looks like the Big 10 will have 2 sweet 16 teams.....same for the Big 12.....pac 12 with 3.....ACC with an impressive 5 if Louisville holds on
03-23-2015, 08:56 AM
Halo

Really a shame as the Big East could have had 4. Thought Butler was going to pull that off in regulation. Nova with a complete failure and Georgetown just fell apart.
03-23-2015, 11:28 AM
Markedman

All 16 teams left are in the top 21 of the Sagarin ratings........http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sagarin/2015/team/
03-23-2015, 12:03 PM
MUMac

NCST is 26th and UCLA is 33rd.
03-23-2015, 12:45 PM
Mucrisco

I'm curious. What is the list of impressive non conference wins the Big East had during the season. I am talking tournament teams. Going through quickly, I see Indiana, Oklahoma, Notre Dame and North Carolina. You could probably add VCU in there. SFA and Robert Morris were tournament teams. I wonder how that compares to other conferences. Was the Big East just beating up on bottom feeders of the Major conferences and that's why the non conference record vs major conferences looks good?
03-23-2015, 12:51 PM
Nukem2

In hindsight, even Nova's NC wins (13-0) are not that notable: Lehigh, MD-Eastern Shore, Bucknell, VCU, Michigan, Delaware, LaSalle, St. Joe's, Illinois, Temple, Syracuse, NJIT, and Penn. Obviously slippage by Michigan and Cuse hurt, but...
03-23-2015, 12:56 PM
warriorfan4life

St. John's and Nova beat Syracuse (ineligible for the tournament, likely would have been somewhere among the last four in the tourney or one the first four to eight teams out of the tourney). Villanova beat Illinois (NIT) and Michigan (likely just missed NIT, but this was before Caris LaVert and Derrick Walton were injured). Georgetown beat Florida (who was uncharacteristically down, but also terribly unlucky and still rated in the top 50 of the Pomeroys much of the year). DePaul beat Stanford (NIT).
03-23-2015, 01:23 PM
Markedman

Quote:

Originally Posted by MUMac

NCST is 26th and UCLA is 33rd.

Clearly I can't count......;)

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