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03-25-2013, 05:41 PMfarmerdoc
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03-25-2013, 05:49 PMPhantom Warrior
As far as Buzz's suspension, it was overkill.
Buzz was suspended, oststensibly, due to a recruiting violation on his watch. It was a minor infraction, the type of infraction that happens all the time. Other schools/programs don't suspend a coach for a single minor infraction. As for the assistant lying to the administration, that is a separate issue that does not involve Buzz.
If LW wanted to make a statement to Buzz about who is in control, a one-game suspension was certainly sufficient. And the first conference game on national t.v. to boot.
But no, that wasn't enough for LW. Forcing Buzz to have zero contact with his players, the assistant coaches, anyone affiliated with the program in any way for 48 hours? Please! That was ridiculous. And it was bullcrap.
Not to mention the suspension's effect on the team. No, your coach can't coach you for two days even though we have another conference game coming up.
It was a damn power play. Period. I'm sorry, but an AD has no business treating a coach in such a manner unless there was a serious offense. Just as an AD has no business publicly chastising a coach for the silly little dance Buzz did after an emotional win.
LW is a schmuck, and if Buzz leaves and even one of many factors turns out to be LW, then LW deserves any and all flak he catches, and from my standpoint, the more flak, the better. -
03-25-2013, 06:08 PMkneelb4zergHow do you know that no contact condition isn't in line with NCAA guidelines?Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantom Warrior
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03-25-2013, 06:09 PMIWB
A couple of things -
First off, the article that was linked says on page two states, "A head coach is presumed responsible for major/Level I and Level II violations (e.g. academic fraud, recruiting inducements)"
Those are major infractions. academic fraud, paying players/street agents.
T-shirts and a ride are not major infractions, they are secondary.
Larry even said back then that it wouldn't have been a big deal had the assistant not lied about it. With that statement, that means that Buzz was not suspended for the violation, but for the assistant lying.
Point is, pointing to new NCAA regulations that are not yet in place nor applicable to the situation in question is not a good argument.
On the dorms - I understand and respect what Caribou is saying, but the fact that other programs are using this against MU on the recruiting trail says that it is a big deal. And while mom likes the kid to blend into the community, when he takes his next two visits and sees the facilities that their players live in, it can hurt recruiting. Also, that dorm isn't about all basketball all the time, it is about them being more comfortable when they travel during the season. It is about having higher doorways, longer beds, higher shower heads and private bathrooms. It is about having air conditioning during the summer etc etc. -
03-25-2013, 06:12 PMkneelb4zerg
Well, I didn't mean that the regulations would necessarily apply here. But doing something proactive that mirrors the thrust of those new rules could be construed favorably in terms of promoting an atmosphere of compliance. At least that is my read on it.
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03-25-2013, 06:25 PMHalo
How is this helping anything Phantom? You seem to know all of the facts? I don't and neither do you. To continue your name calling rants are pretty childish in my opinion.
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03-25-2013, 06:51 PMGato78
It was right to fire Monarch. It was fine to suspend Buzz. We needed to send a message as an institution. Was it fair to Buzz? No. But he has Monarch to blame, not Larry. Dorm issue I agree with Buzz. Like Caribou, I went to MU when players and rest of student body hung together with one caveat--African American students hung at the Multi Cultural Center. We white guys were invited from time to time. Otherwise, players were spread around the dorms and ended up at the bars on Friday and Saturday. As good as that was, I think we need to compete with the big boys and truth is the amenities are a big deal. Because of that, we need the players to have highest quality facilities possible. If the players must be separated, it has to be in first class facilities. A regular student room in Tower does not cut it.
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03-25-2013, 06:53 PMAwilhelmscream
Are they putting them up in East Tower or Carpenter?
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03-25-2013, 07:57 PMTheSultanQuote:
Originally Posted by Halo
Exactly. I don't mind reasonable discussions over things like the dorms, etc. But you are going to devalue your opinion when you start going over the top regarding LW. "Power play?" "Publicly chastise?" Give me a break. -
03-25-2013, 08:00 PMMUMac
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9096515
Good interview. They discuss the coaching rumors with Buzz.