Marquette - St. John's Game Thread

J Will shouldn't have passed it. I don't think they designed the play for Derrick but that's how it ended up and he had to shoot

No other choice at that point.

Senior Day always takes a header with a loss. Fans stream out in droves. Maybe 20% stayed? Probably too generous a figure.

Seemed like MU was surprised St. Johns went into a matchup zone. Jamil was to and NEEDS to take that shot. Passing it off to DWill is all on Jamil. Senior time, right there for you, take it! Don't give it up to the worst shooter on the team. Stunned silence at the end. Summed up the season, what could have been, but no.

Jamil was coming around the screen and got totally stuck - he had no options, Derrick was wide - that shot falls and it looks like an ingenious play. Just didn't happen.

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Originally Posted by Jim Ganzer, "IWB"

Jamil was coming around the screen and got totally stuck - he had no options, Derrick was wide - that shot falls and it looks like an ingenious play. Just didn't happen.

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Gardner was flashing open in the lane. I would rather take a chance there than passing to DWill.

If that shot falls, there is not enough emergency personnel available for the heart attacks from shock. There is a reason why St. Johns did not care about DWill on that play. They totally ignored him. The shot was not even close.

Great game and I don't care what anybody says

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Originally Posted by MUFAN2003

Refs have screwed us 3 times in last minute:

(1) Sanchez with the hook

(2) Jordan shoots, air ball, and catches it....no travel

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My understanding is that it is no longer an automatic travel. It isn't in high school ball.

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Originally Posted by TedBaxter

Great game and I don't care what anybody says

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It was a great game. MU played very well. Overcame the early deficit. Back and forth all the way. Harrison with the killer 3 from deep. That, to me, was the difference.

Happy and proud of the way everyone played. DWill playing with cramps, Jamil on a bum ankle, Tood taking on to the knee. These guys gutted out and it was a fun game to watch. Never quit, down 6 with 11 to go in regulation. A lot to love about this game, but for the final score.

As a Marquette fan you have to be proud of the gut level effort this team put forth at Providence and today against St. John's.

I just watched the play again. Jamil did not have a chance to shoot. Jake was coming free, but it would have been a deep 3. Gardner was the option.IMHO. DWill was wide, so that is where he went. Jamil did not really penetrate. The d was on him too quickly. Originally, I thought he was closer and had a better look. The lane, though, was fairly free as SJU had 3 players out near or past the 3 line.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

My understanding is that it is no longer an automatic travel. It isn't in high school ball.

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If a shot does not touch the backboard or the rim, and was not deflected/blocked by the opposing team....and the player that shot it catches it, it is a travel.

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Originally Posted by MUFAN2003

If a shot does not touch the backboard or the rim, and was not deflected/blocked by the opposing team....and the player that shot it catches it, it is a travel.

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Just looked it up. It is only now an automatic travel in the NBA. In college and high school, if the ref determines that it is a legit shot, travelling should not be called.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

Just looked it up. It is only now an automatic travel in the NBA. In college and high school, if the ref determines that it is a legit shot, travelling should not be called.

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Correct. The NCAA changed this rule a few years back.

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Originally Posted by TulsaWarrior

As a Marquette fan you have to be proud of the gut level effort this team put forth at Providence and today against St. John's.

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Yep. Outstanding effort in both games. Kudos to the guys and lets make some noise in NYC. We lost oday, but thatwas a great game to see in person. They never gave up.

Wow, I think that is a terrible rule change. Ref has to try to determine intent instead of just calling what he sees.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

Just looked it up. It is only now an automatic travel in the NBA. In college and high school, if the ref determines that it is a legit shot, travelling should not be called.

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Originally Posted by mufansince72

Great game. Didn't like the playcall at the end of double ot though. Why draw up a play that puts it in the hands of your worst shooter? They also took their sweet time. Should have got an early look for Jake, Jamil or Davante and had time for a putback.

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Wait. I just want to make sure you really believe they drew up the final play for Derrick. Because if you really believe that, you should stop doing drugs. They are bad for you.:confused:

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Originally Posted by Halo

Wow. Sums up the year guys. Why he is shooting I have no idea. Can't believe it really.

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Ummm, because Jamil passed him the ball with 2 seconds to go. Did you want Derrick to just run out the clock?

I don't want to go back in the game thread but was I the only one that thought Mayo was fouled on that last possession of OT? He had a head of steam and then the defender basically bumped him hard off his line.....I mean is it only point of emphasis when its not the last play of the game?

It just seemed so obvious to me that it was a foul

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Originally Posted by Markedman

I don't want to go back in the game thread but was I the only one that thought Mayo was fouled on that last possession of OT? He had a head of steam and then the defender basically bumped him hard off his line.....I mean is it only point of emphasis when its not the last play of the game?

It just seemed so obvious to me that it was a foul

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They allowed the hard bump against MU most of the 2nd half. Jamil was bumped hard a couple of times, as was Todd. They called the cheap one on Jamil, but that was outside the lane.

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Originally Posted by Markedman

I don't want to go back in the game thread but was I the only one that thought Mayo was fouled on that last possession of OT? He had a head of steam and then the defender basically bumped him hard off his line.....I mean is it only point of emphasis when its not the last play of the game?

It just seemed so obvious to me that it was a foul

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I think so. Todd was POd as he threw the ball in the air after he got up.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

Just looked it up. It is only now an automatic travel in the NBA. In college and high school, if the ref determines that it is a legit shot, travelling should not be called.

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Was looking at Roberts who was outside and he indicated with a hand signal that it was tipped, which it wasn't nor was it a legit shot attempt as he was out of control. This crew missed a lot of travels today. Lots of contact inside but let them play.

Officials were poor today though I did like the fact that they were reffing like it was the BIG EAST as far as contact is concerned.

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Originally Posted by Gato78

Officials were poor today though I did like the fact that they were reffing like it was the BIG EAST as far as contact is concerned.

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That's actually part of the problem I have. Game-to-game, you don't know what you are going to get. Some games, they let everything go. Some games they call it when you breathe on someone. Some games, they change how they ref from the first half to the second half to overtime. If it was like this every game, great, but it's been so inconsistent.