Buzz is already a top ten paid coach.....and his contract layout (revolving) is at his request. So locking him down to long term contract...like Pitt just did...does't make sense either.
I think someone suggest a few months ago (on this board) that MU making a large contribution to Buzz's Bunch might say more to Buzz then a bigger...longer contract. I would agree....
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03-25-2013, 01:59 PMWestcoastwarrior
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03-25-2013, 02:39 PMPhantom Warrior
LW is getting quite a bit of implied negative publcity - mostly due to his own doing. He can not be happy about that.
And if Buzz were to take a job at someplace like Minnesota, that public image of LW will suffer even more.
On top of that, his image among propsective candidates will also suffer. After all, here's a guy, Buzz, who has become a media darling, is an obvious success as a coach, is repsected, even revered by his players, has said that he will stay at MU as long as he's wanted, choosing to take another offer. What is the message to future potential candidates for the MU job? Stay away from this guy (LW).
Larry has put himself between the proverbial rock and a hard place. If Buzz leaves, Larry may just get crushed by the repercussions. If that happens, I'd be more than willing to buy a ticket to watch his demise.
Do I sound bitter? Upset?
Remind me again why freshmen ball players should stay in the dorm separated from the rest of their teammates.
Remind me again why an AD publicly chastised his head coach for a harmless 15-second two step even after the coach had already apologized on national t.v. if he offended anyone.
Remind me about suspending the coach not just from coaching a game but for 48 hours with no contact allowed with anyone in the program because of an assistant's minor recruiting infraction. (Buzz was not responsible for the follow-up lies and should not have been held accountable for someone else's stupidity.)
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03-25-2013, 05:12 PMIrwinFletcherLet me go contrarian with you Silver.Quote:
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In regards to LW's public image and that it would hurt in hiring another coach. What about the public image of the UCLA and MINN AD's who fired successful coaches who did a lot for their respective programs? Both programs were reeling at the time they were hired and brought levels of success that neither program had had in some time. Doesn't sound like they are hurting at this point (though it is early in the process for both).
In regards to the Buzz suspension. Buzz has suspended many players for games, half of games and even sent them home for the summer. Did those players pout and mope and run away? No. It was a lesson that they could learn from and become better people. They made mistakes, were punished, accepted it and came back.
If Buzz is in fact deeply pissed about the suspension, I would consider him to be a bit hypocritical since he employs the same tactics on his own players.
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03-25-2013, 05:17 PMIWBI don't think Buzz has ever suspended a player for something a manager did.Quote:
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03-25-2013, 05:19 PMkneelb4zerg
I have no problem with the suspension given how the NCAA is making head coaches responsible for the actions of their assistants. I would hope that Buzz understands that nuance.
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03-25-2013, 05:21 PMfarmerdocAre there examples of this happening in D-1 men's BB? I'm not sure that I have heard of it yet, but might have missed it.Quote:
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03-25-2013, 05:28 PMIWBI am not sure if that is true. A few years ago he received a large one time retention bonus. That year his salary was leaked out and ever since people have said he was paid in the top 5-10. He was that year, but that was with the one time retention bonus. He is still paid very well, and could be up there, I'm just not sure if top 10 is accurate post bonus.Quote:
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03-25-2013, 05:29 PMkneelb4zerghttp://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1659413Quote:
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03-25-2013, 05:32 PMCaribouJimPhantom, I'm going to have to disagree with you on some points. The first being frosh and soph requirement. Why freshmen ball players should stay in the dorm separated from the rest of their teammates? Because they are STUDENT athletes, at least theoretically, right? Does their entire college experience have to be tied into b-ball? I get depressed when I go to campus and run into players hanging with just players - nice that they get along, but it would be nice to see them just once, once hanging with the regular Joes on campus. I'm sure they do, but if they do I think it is minimal at best. I see no problem with them being in the dorms for at least one year. One of my brothers lived down the hall from Earl Tatum and got to know him and another brother who was on Oliver Lee's floor and got to know him as well. When Larry Williams was in Chicago for the Circles event in the fall he had a Q&A and I told him how much I agreed with him on the dorm policy. After the event, he sought me out to shake my hand and thank me and based on the look on his face it is obvious that he has been getting pummeled for it. Do these kids have to be under the b-ball bubble 24-7? I know Buzz is not happy about it, but you know something? Tough. Do these coaches get a blank checkbook? Anyway, I think you can make it a plus in the context of recruiting - part of Buzz's pitch can be "Mr. and Mrs. Parents we want Joey to graduate from MU as a complete person beyond b-ball. We're looking for big things from Joey on the team and hopefully he has a future at the next level, but we know that may not be the case whether due to injury or his skill sets are not a fit for the next level. For those reasons we want Joey to experience as normal as possible college experience, establishing friendships that last a lifetime that have no ties to the basketball side of his life. His class at Marquette will graduate many successful people we want Joey to have them as part of his network of friends and possibly work associates for the rest of his life. His experience at MU will be a well rounded experience athletically, academically and socially." I graduated 33 years ago and just today was in a seemingly never ending e-mail thread with about 20 guys I graduated with starting with the NCAA's and branched off to funny stories from MU. I've used a few of the guys over the years networking to secure jobs.Quote:
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As far as Buzz getting suspended, wasn't that a preemptive strike for the new "the buck stops here" policy right? Haven't we all been subject to that same policy in one way or another? I've been slammed when a direct report of mine has f'd up or failed to perform up to standards - that stuff goes in the debit column. Buzz is responsible for his direct reports, whether they be coaches and/or players, at least in context to the b-ball program.
Lastly, your tone on Larry Williams is a little over the top IMO. Yes, he had a clumsy start for sure. A new boss can cause stress all around, but the C7 just transitioned conference affiliations in a very high profile and very favorably accepted manner and he was quoted often during the whole process and seemed right on message to me.
MU has been very, very good to Buzz and Buzz has been very, very good for MU. Can't things be mutually beneficial? I agree that an MU contribution to "Buzz's Bunch" would be a nice touch, but I agree with Sultan, having to grovel every time a high profile opening happens doesn't seem right to me. -
03-25-2013, 05:34 PMMarkedman