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03-02-2016, 09:48 PM
MU_Iceman

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Originally Posted by MUBasketball

If you don't understand the importance of being in a strong conference, nobody here can help you.

I'm sick of the Big East bashing nationally, especially within a conference team fan base! This is still a power league, and that's with MU, GTown, and St. Johns not being as good as usual. This is an excellent league.

Keep telling yourself that. It's a GOOD league...but it's NOT the ACC, SEC, BXII etc, or anywhere close to the old Big East. Don't you think it's ironic that MU has struggled badly, in a lessor league?? That's NOT the way it was supposed to be. I totally understand what being a strong conference means...look at what the old Big East did for MU. That's obvious...the problem is, this conference will NEVER do that for them, unless they get to the point where they are dominating it year in year out..then MAYBE. But no team has taken more steps backwards with this conference change than has MU...that doesn't concern you?? At all??
03-02-2016, 09:59 PM
2012Warrior

Quote:

Originally Posted by MU_Iceman

Keep telling yourself that. It's a GOOD league...but it's NOT the ACC, SEC, BXII etc, or anywhere close to the old Big East. Don't you think it's ironic that MU has struggled badly, in a lessor league?? That's NOT the way it was supposed to be. I totally understand what being a strong conference means...look at what the old Big East did for MU. That's obvious...the problem is, this conference will NEVER do that for them, unless they get to the point where they are dominating it year in year out..then MAYBE. But no team has taken more steps backwards with this conference change than has MU...that doesn't concern you?? At all??

Is the SEC any good? I think the Big East has been a better league the last 3 years. It's usually pretty weak outside of UK.
03-02-2016, 10:31 PM
MUBasketball

Quote:

Originally Posted by MU_Iceman

Keep telling yourself that. It's a GOOD league...but it's NOT the ACC, SEC, BXII etc, or anywhere close to the old Big East. Don't you think it's ironic that MU has struggled badly, in a lessor league?? That's NOT the way it was supposed to be. I totally understand what being a strong conference means...look at what the old Big East did for MU. That's obvious...the problem is, this conference will NEVER do that for them, unless they get to the point where they are dominating it year in year out..then MAYBE. But no team has taken more steps backwards with this conference change than has MU...that doesn't concern you?? At all??

Uhhhmm, the BE is currently #4 in conference RPI. RPI is flawed, don't get me wrong. Head-to-head vs. other power conferences it has fared very well also. Listed below are Big East teams vs. other conferences:

ACC: 5-4
AAC: 5-1
A10: 7-2
Big 12: 0-2
B1G: 10-7
MVC: 6-1
Pac 12: 4-2
SEC: 7-3

A winning record against all but ONE of these conferences!! These are facts, cannot be disputed. What's all the complaining about? Boy this league stinks huh? Heavy sarcasm, if you didn't notice.

MU struggling has to do with a number of factors, primarily a coaching change where Wojo hasn't had to start from scratch, but pretty damn close.
03-02-2016, 10:54 PM
warriorfan4life

In an actually useful metric, the Big East is also 4th in the Pomeroys. It was 3rd in the Pomeroys a year before. It was 3rd-4th in Pomeroys during most of the first year before it plummeted to 6th following the awful postseason showing (2-4 in NCAA's, 1-2 in NIT with Johnnies losing to 162nd ranked Robert Morris).
03-02-2016, 11:10 PM
79warrior

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Originally Posted by MU_Iceman

Keep telling yourself that. It's a GOOD league...but it's NOT the ACC, SEC, BXII etc, or anywhere close to the old Big East. Don't you think it's ironic that MU has struggled badly, in a lessor league?? That's NOT the way it was supposed to be. I totally understand what being a strong conference means...look at what the old Big East did for MU. That's obvious...the problem is, this conference will NEVER do that for them, unless they get to the point where they are dominating it year in year out..then MAYBE. But no team has taken more steps backwards with this conference change than has MU...that doesn't concern you?? At all??

I think the folks at Georgetown would strongly disagree. They have a good case for more steps backwards than us. A after all. They are an original BE member.
03-03-2016, 07:57 AM
IrwinFletcher

The only reason the SEC is considered a power basketball conference is because the football is so dominating.
03-03-2016, 08:51 AM
TheSultan

Quote:

Originally Posted by MU_Iceman

Keep telling yourself that. It's a GOOD league...but it's NOT the ACC, SEC, BXII etc, or anywhere close to the old Big East. Don't you think it's ironic that MU has struggled badly, in a lessor league?? That's NOT the way it was supposed to be. I totally understand what being a strong conference means...look at what the old Big East did for MU. That's obvious...the problem is, this conference will NEVER do that for them, unless they get to the point where they are dominating it year in year out..then MAYBE. But no team has taken more steps backwards with this conference change than has MU...that doesn't concern you?? At all??

1. The Big East is a good league. As others have mentioned, it currently sits at #4 in conference RPI (ahead of the Big Ten, BTW). "Bracketologists" have four or five teams from the conference getting into the tournament. More than the SEC BTW. It is the best non-football league in college basketball.

2. Marquette is in the best conference it can possibly be in given the current college sports landscape. There is not a single better non-football conference than the Big East. There is NOTHING that Marquette can do to change that. NOTHING.

Bitching and moaning about it, and acting like chicken little about it, doesn't DO ANYTHING.
03-03-2016, 09:10 AM
Nukem2

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

1. The Big East is a good league. As others have mentioned, it currently sits at #4 in conference RPI (ahead of the Big Ten, BTW). "Bracketologists" have four or five teams from the conference getting into the tournament. More than the SEC BTW. It is the best non-football league in college basketball.

2. Marquette is in the best conference it can possibly be in given the current college sports landscape. There is not a single better non-football conference than the Big East. There is NOTHING that Marquette can do to change that. NOTHING.

Bitching and moaning about it, and acting like chicken little about it, doesn't DO ANYTHING.

Yep.
03-03-2016, 09:15 AM
Goose85

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Originally Posted by IrwinFletcher

The only reason the SEC is considered a power basketball conference is because the football is so dominating.

What the SEC has going for it is Kentucky, so that adds to the perception of league strength.
There were years when the ACC was just Duke and UNC with the rest being average at best, but because they had two teams ranked high that made trips to the final four the perception was the ACC is a great conference.

Hopefully Villanova and / or Xavier can make a final 4 run this year.
It would be great if Villanova could become the Big East's Kentucky, with deep NCAA runs and consistent high rankings. We know the league is very good, but that would really help from a national perception of the league.
03-03-2016, 09:26 AM
kneelb4zerg

Iceman still whining about the conference situation? Really??

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