Round of 32-Saturday

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

There is bad refereeing all around. It is a chronic problem due to the nature of their employment.

But it hasn't adversely impacted the BE vis-a-vis any other conference.

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Um, what did I just say?

Where did I blame the officiating for anything? I was commenting on the generally awful officiating this year. It has been pathetic. Reading comprehension or trying to construe my remarks to fit a narrative?

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

Really, does this board have to blame the officiating for everything?
Face it. The critics were right. The Big East was over seeded.

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Originally Posted by MUAlphaBangura

Um, what did I just say?

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Ha. I was agreeing with you! Sorry for not making that more clear.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

Dude, don't be a dick. If you want to parrot Chicos' "crapshoot narrative" as an excuse, go right ahead. I'm sure that will go over well.

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I'm not parroting a narrative from him or anybody. I could say that you are parroting a national media/the tournament is all that matters narrative.

I am only trying to place things in the proper perspective. In its second year the new Big East put six teams in the tournament. That's good. It will not advance as many teams to second weekend as we had hoped. That's bad. A 5-6 or so record is not horrible.

As the years go by, all the conferences have years where they perform well, or average, or bad in the tournament. Keep putting teams in the dance and our time will come. Hopefully with Marquette involved.

Seriously, don't accuse me of parroting Chicos again.

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Originally Posted by kneelb4zerg

I'm not parroting a narrative from him or anybody. I could say that you are parroting a national media/the tournament is all that matters narrative.

I am only trying to place things in the proper perspective. In its second year the new Big East put six teams in the tournament. That's good. It will not advance as many teams to second weekend as we had hoped. That's bad. A 5-6 or so record is not horrible.

As the years go by, all the conferences have years where they perform well, or average, or bad in the tournament. Keep putting teams in the dance and our time will come. Hopefully with Marquette involved.

Seriously, don't accuse me of parroting Chicos again.

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OK, that was clearly a low blow. :D

But for better or worse, this tournament is what counts when it comes to conference reputations. And for the second year in a row, the conference can't get its champions into the second weekend. For the second year in a row, assuming Butler loses tonight and Xavier next weekend, there will not be a single win where a BE team won as the lower seed.

That's bad.

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Originally Posted by Nukem2

Big problem for BE is lack of height and leghth. Very obvious tonite.

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Bingo. It's a guard league...but it is hurt in the NCAA's on the frontline.

Butler back in it. Tied at 27. Maybe we can sneek 2 into the round of 16. Would that be acceptable, even if it wasn't our top 2?

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Originally Posted by MUAlphaBangura

Butler back in it. Tied at 27. Maybe we can sneek 2 into the round of 16. Would that be acceptable, even if it wasn't our top 2?

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If Butler hangs on, I will admit that my rants were probably pre-mature.

I am just frustrated that Nova as a #1 seed gets bumped.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

If Butler hangs on, I will admit that my rants were probably pre-mature.

I am just frustrated that Nova as a #1 seed gets bumped.

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I am too. Really awful performance from them.

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Originally Posted by MUAlphaBangura

Butler back in it. Tied at 27. Maybe we can sneek 2 into the round of 16. Would that be acceptable, even if it wasn't our top 2?

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It would help, but Nova really hurt the league reputation today. We needed someone to go on a deep run, and it seems unlikely that will be Xavier or Butler, especially considering who they'll have to go through to get there.

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Originally Posted by kneelb4zerg

I'm not parroting a narrative from him or anybody. I could say that you are parroting a national media/the tournament is all that matters narrative.

I am only trying to place things in the proper perspective. In its second year the new Big East put six teams in the tournament. That's good. It will not advance as many teams to second weekend as we had hoped. That's bad. A 5-6 or so record is not horrible.

As the years go by, all the conferences have years where they perform well, or average, or bad in the tournament. Keep putting teams in the dance and our time will come. Hopefully with Marquette involved.

Seriously, don't accuse me of parroting Chicos again.

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I agree with this. Big East is 5-4 not counting what Butler does. Some predicted the Big East to go 1-5 on Thursday/Friday. This year we wanted more teams in the tourney, we got it. Nova was the huge letdown, obviously, but if the conference keeps recruiting well, we will eventually get some teams to advance deep.

It is time for MU to get back on the scene and make some noise.

I think Jay Wright is a great coach, and I understand trying to be calm and collected on the sideline, but at what point do you call a timeout and really get in your players' face, take your coat off, show some emotion? Villanova looked nervous to make mistakes, instead of confident and loose like they had in non-conference and conference play. Also, Villanova was playing in Pittsburgh, their home state, I did not notice (hear on TV) much support from their fans. I think of Dayton's fans last night, they gave Dayton a huge boost. Maybe Villanova fans were saving their trip for the Regionals in Syracuse.

I like what Jay Wright said postgame, they are disappointed, they will own it, and they will learn from it. Wright continues to recruit well. Very disappointing, but they are not going anywhere. Can't label Wright with the Pre-2014 Bo Ryan label, Wright made the Final 4 in 2009.

Fellas, I got the bottle of Makers flowing pretty good right now after that Nova loss. If Butler loses I may just start taking pulls.

Not a good day at all.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

For the second year in a row, neither the BE regular season nor its tournament champion have made a S16.

That is a problem that I am not going to write off to the mere randomness of the NCAA tournament.

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I agree, it's a tough pill to take.

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Originally Posted by Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"

We all agree it sucks, but the simple reality is March is where league perceptions are formed. Nova losing undid all the good will we earned in November and December. Until the league shows up in March, the P5 will forever see us as mid major.

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The atomis five, I will never use power, is more of a football thing, but unfortunately folks are using it for basketball. Your right, it sucks and hurts.

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Originally Posted by BLT

Bingo. It's a guard league...but it is hurt in the NCAA's on the frontline.

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Providence had a considerable size advantage against Dayton - that didn't seem to do much for them.

Dunn had foul trouble from the first minute and their big two scorers shot like crap. Sometimes you just play terrible. Unfortunately for Villanova and Providence, they picked the worst time to be bad.

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Originally Posted by Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"

Dunn had foul trouble from the first minute and their big two scorers shot like crap. Sometimes you just play terrible. Unfortunately for Villanova and Providence, they picked the worst time to be bad.

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Not as annoyed at Providence given bad draw in Ohio v. Dayton. Nova has no excuse.

How do you even call that a jump ball???????? Amazingly bad!

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Originally Posted by MUAlphaBangura

How do you even call that a jump ball???????? Amazingly bad!

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Bizarre...

Dunham should have shot-faked, had enough time with 2 seconds.

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Originally Posted by MUFAN2003

Dunham should have shot-faked, had enough time with 2 seconds.

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We knew it was going to Dunham...should have been to Jones with possible FTs...?

Disappointing play when they had it with 20 seconds left and the shot clock off. Spread the floor for a Jones drive? I mean, c'mon.

Way too many f'ing timeouts in basketball. In hindsight, probably would have been better off just playing it out at the end. I bet they would have won the game in regulation.

Brutal showing for the big east, just brutal. Huge disappointment for the league - all the naysayers were proven right. Ugh this sucks!!

Notre Dame's first Sweet 16 since 2003, did not realize it had been that long.

Really tough when the smartest, scrappiest dude on the floor jumps on a shot fake 3. C'mon dude, you're 5 foot nothing, what's the point of jumping anyway?

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Originally Posted by MUFAN2003

Notre Dame's first Sweet 16 since 2003, did not realize it had been that long.

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Don't remind me of Dylan Page's (UWM) missed lay up that would've beaten Notre Dame in the 1st round

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Originally Posted by MUBasketball

Really tough when the smartest, scrappiest dude on the floor jumps on a shot fake 3. C'mon dude, you're 5 foot nothing, what's the point of jumping anyway?

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For being a smart player, that was beyond stupid.

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Originally Posted by WindyCityGoldenEagle

Brutal showing for the big east, just brutal. Huge disappointment for the league - all the naysayers were proven right. Ugh this sucks!!

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Hold on, Xavier is in the Sweet 16........butler was right there and Nova, despite a bad night, coypuld have taken the lead with 15 or so so seconds to go but missed the shot. Providence, well that was ugly.

Proud of Butler's effort and fight! Thank you, Xavier for making it to the Sweet 16.

Yeah, lets not get so dramatic. Butler was a #6 and lost to a #3. Georgetown was a #4 and lost to a #5. Villanova was what made it a horrible day for the Big East. Overall 5-5 and with Arizona likely defeating Xavier, quite likely 5-6. Not good, but not 1-6 as one basketball writer predicted. Lets not forget there were 9 ACC teams that did not even make the tournament.

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Originally Posted by Nukem2

Hold on, Xavier is in the Sweet 16........butler was right there and Nova, despite a bad night, coypuld have taken the lead with 15 or so so seconds to go but missed the shot. Providence, well that was ugly.

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Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Doesn't make a damn bit of difference. The league is getting slammed tonight. Promising season for the league down the crapper in one day.

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Originally Posted by Nukem2

We knew it was going to Dunham...should have been to Jones with possible FTs...?

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Sure, but there were only 2 seconds left, not a lot of time left for a drive.

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Originally Posted by MUBasketball

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Doesn't make a damn bit of difference. The league is getting slammed tonight. Promising season for the league down the crapper in one day.

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Yep. Tend to agree. One team advances. Pretty weak showing.

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Originally Posted by MUBasketball

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Doesn't make a damn bit of difference. The league is getting slammed tonight. Promising season for the league down the crapper in one day.

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Coulda woulda what? He is stating facts you tool.

Big East ... 2-4 in NCAA a year ago.

Big East ... 5-5 with 1 team in Sweet 16 this year.

Awesome results? No, especially with Nova losing in 2nd round.

But an improvement from a year ago.

Further improvement necessary.

The league will continue to do better with the coaching and recruiting, and Marquette will be at the forefront of that (quite likely next year). Nova just had horrific luck tonight in four good shooters going a combined 0-14 from three (their normal 5 or so of those go in, they win comfortably). Any complaining from media members just enlightens me to their idiocy, and well there are a whole lot of idiots in the sports and college basketball media (a big reason why I never pursued a career in that despite it being my major).

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Originally Posted by kneelb4zerg

Coulda woulda what? He is stating facts you tool.

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Dude, take some medication.

I'm an adult so let me respond like a grown up. If you were capable of understanding what I meant, I'm saying logic doesn't matter. The league is sending one team to the Sweet 16 and is getting crucified tonight. Close losses, seeds, location - to the vast majority this doesn't matter. That's just the reality of it.

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Originally Posted by MUBasketball

Dude, take some medication.

I'm an adult so let me respond like a grown up. If you were capable of understanding what I meant, I'm saying logic doesn't matter. The league is sending one team to the Sweet 16 and is getting crucified tonight. Close losses, seeds, location - to the vast majority this doesn't matter. That's just the reality of it.

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Most of the people crucifying the league are dumbasses. You can choose to listen to them, or be wise enough to ignore their drivel.

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Originally Posted by warriorfan4life

Most of the people crucifying the league are dumbasses. You can choose to listen to them, or be wise enough to ignore their drivel.

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I don't disagree with you. Lots of dumbasses pollute Twitter. However, perception is reality.