OT RIP James Foley

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

It was more stable 15 years ago too. One of the reasons that we didn't go to Baghdad during the Kuwait War was because of the uncertainty that would follow if Hussein and Ba'athists were toppled.

But really if the choices are instability versus perpetual occupation, I'm going with instability.

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Was it really more stable, or did we just ignore another despot who killed hundreds of thousands of his own countrymen? I understand that sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't, but also, sometimes the bad guys just need to be taken care of.

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Originally Posted by kneelb4zerg

Same goes for your simplistic, stereotypical labeling re National Review. Ever think that a known 'neo con' might have a legitimate point?

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No.

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Originally Posted by MUFAN2003

OK Sultan. I am curious, if you were president, what would be your proposal for dealing with ISIS in Iraq? What should the United States' "influence" be in this situation, seeing you say the United States should have influence in the world. Assuming you are not for US airstrikes and special operations on the ground.

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I never said I wasn't for airstrikes. I think it is being handled fine at the moment.

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Originally Posted by farmerdoc

Was it really more stable, or did we just ignore another despot who killed hundreds of thousands of his own countrymen? I understand that sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't, but also, sometimes the bad guys just need to be taken care of.

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There have been dozens of despots killing their own countrymen over the last century. Many of who were outright supported by the US. That isn't the reason we went into Iraq.

Sultan -- I usually enjoy your messages, but the triple post is Chicos-like.
Anyone want to talk about sex and religion?
Please lock thread.

Well I was asked questions in two of them, and the third was a response to a point I made.

But I am done with this topic and apologize for my role in it.

Back to James Foley which this thread was supposed to be about. In the first half of the CBS Morning News this morning a young reporter who has been helping fill in for Charlie Rose this week is an MU grad (I forget his name) and mentioned that Foley too was an MU grad and mentioned that Foley stated that his Jesuit education at MU was key part of his life that lead him to originally become a teacher and how he would say the rosary when in captivity in Libya knowing that his mom and grandmother would be doing the same - a way to communicate with them without actually communicating with them. They showed a picture of him talking to an audience with someone in the background wearing an MU sweatshirt - maybe at MU maybe?

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Originally Posted by CaribouJim

Back to James Foley which this thread was supposed to be about. In the first half of the CBS Morning News this morning a young reporter who has been helping fill in for Charlie Rose this week is an MU grad (I forget his name) and mentioned that Foley too was an MU grad and mentioned that Foley stated that his Jesuit education at MU was key part of his life that lead him to originally become a teacher and how he would say the rosary when in captivity in Libya knowing that his mom and grandmother would be doing the same - a way to communicate with them without actually communicating with them. They showed a picture of him talking to an audience with someone in the background wearing an MU sweatshirt - maybe at MU maybe?

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Here's the segment- http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/journa...nd-compassion/

Ben Tracy is the reporter. '98 grad, who worked at MU before joining CBS. He's actually on the BOT now.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

There have been dozens of despots killing their own countrymen over the last century. Many of who were outright supported by the US. That isn't the reason we went into Iraq.

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I understand that point well, and our country's history isn't pristine when you look at whom we have supported in the past, or maybe do now. That also has to be taken in the context of the political winds of the time, i.e the Cold War. Both sides used proxies. the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Distasteful much of the time, but sometimes necessary.

Please do not forget that our country as TWICE intervened in world wide conflicts for freedom against tyranny. That history should still count for something!

Today, we have no cold war, and when possible we should be standing up agains despots everywhere, as we are the only country with the power and history to justify doing so.

I will drop this as well, out of respect for other posters and the deceased, may he rest in peace.

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Originally Posted by MUfan12

Here's the segment- http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/journa...nd-compassion/

Ben Tracy is the reporter. '98 grad, who worked at MU before joining CBS. He's actually on the BOT now.

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Thanks!!

Something worthwhile.
https://muconnect.marquette.edu/givi...ey-scholarship

Just donated. My new favorite scholarship fund.

Does anyone know if James was related to Judge Foley?

I received word from a very good friend at MU that Foley's family received a phone call expressing deep sympathy from Pope Francis. I wish people from all walks of life would learn from the examples our Pope has been setting.

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Originally Posted by Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"

Does anyone know if James was related to Judge Foley?

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They're from New Hampshire, so I'd be really surprised if he was.

There is a news report on it. Foleys were reportedly very moved as Pope Francis himself just lost three family members on the 19th. Car accident in Argentina--his nephew is in critical condition.

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Originally Posted by Jim Ganzer, "IWB"

I received word from a very good friend at MU that Foley's family received a phone call expressing deep sympathy from Pope Francis. I wish people from all walks of life would learn from the examples our Pope has been setting.

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Reported in the press. As usual, his holiness did not publicize it much. He is truly a pastor. Per your suggestion, no matter what reaction one might think should or should not be called for in such a tragedy, compassion is always in order and never wasted.

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe

Multiple interviews with his parents today and multiple mentions by them of how influential his Marquette and Milwaukee time was in making him who he was. Link above is one of them.

Chris Matthews mentioned he was from Marquette in his end of show statement.

Looks like they may have identified his killer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sOHrtxCCI0

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Originally Posted by unclejohn

Reported in the press. As usual, his holiness did not publicize it much. He is truly a pastor. Per your suggestion, no matter what reaction one might think should or should not be called for in such a tragedy, compassion is always in order and never wasted.

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Does compassionate golfing count?

My wife says I am not compassionate on the course. Is that what you mean?

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Originally Posted by kneelb4zerg

Does compassionate golfing count?

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