2016-17 Non-Conference Schedule

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Originally Posted by Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"

I doubt we see two in conference:

Nov 11: Vanderbilt
Nov 14: Howard
Nov 17: 2K MSG
Nov 18: 2K MSG
Nov 22: 2K Home
Nov 26: Houston Baptist
Nov 30: Western Carolina
Dec 4: Georgia
Dec 6/7: Buy Game
Dec 10: Wisconsin
Dec 17: Fresno State?

That's 11 games already. Figure there will be at least one more before Big East play on Dec 28. My guess is Dec 21/22 will be a buy game, though they could even slip in a Dec 19 and Dec 22 date. But my guess is Dec 21 at home, Big East on Dec 28, then one in season game in January or February.

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Did I miss something, or have they actually announced who our opponent is for the 11/14 2K Classic game at home? I thought the match ups were coming later.

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Originally Posted by IrwinFletcher

Did I miss something, or have they actually announced who our opponent is for the 11/14 2K Classic game at home? I thought the match ups were coming later.

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Howard released their schedule and it indicated that they are coming to Marquette.

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Originally Posted by IrwinFletcher

Did I miss something, or have they actually announced who our opponent is for the 11/14 2K Classic game at home? I thought the match ups were coming later.

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Check post from 3:20pm. It was just Howard who put out their schedule.

OK. I hadn't clicked the link before. When I did, though, the coach mentioned Michigan and Marquette, but the first game listed on their schedule is 11/26. Not that it matters, but could the 11/22 game be vs. Howard.

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Originally Posted by Nukem2

Need to fit in a Christmas break as well.

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Both breaks fit in there. Finals break Dec 10-17, then winter break Dec 22-28. Whether they play one or two from Dec 19-22, there's still enough time for the break.

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Originally Posted by IrwinFletcher

OK. I hadn't clicked the link before. When I did, though, the coach mentioned Michigan and Marquette, but the first game listed on their schedule is 11/26. Not that it matters, but could the 11/22 game be vs. Howard.

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I just check the link and the dates for Howard vs Michigan & Marquette have been taken down. It was listed for Howard at Michigan on 11/11 & @Marquette on 11/14.

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Originally Posted by Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"

Both breaks fit in there. Finals break Dec 10-17, then winter break Dec 22-28. Whether they play one or two from Dec 19-22, there's still enough time for the break.

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Don't know which winter break you are talking about. The main one goes into mid-January.

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Originally Posted by MU/Panther

Don't know which winter break you are talking about. The main one goes into mid-January.

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Think he is really referring to the usual break at Christmas week?

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Originally Posted by Nukem2

Think he is really referring to the usual break at Christmas week?

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Well, that break is giving by the head coach.

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Originally Posted by MU/Panther

I just check the link and the dates for Howard vs Michigan & Marquette have been taken down. It was listed for Howard at Michigan on 11/11 & @Marquette on 11/14.

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I'm sure those dates are probably right. The same thing happened with Belmont last year. Marquette wants to be able to make the announcement themselves. Last year Belmont released the date with MU before Marquette's schedule, the next day it was taken down with a notice saying "that's not finalized". As soon as MU started the schedule release, there was the date just as Belmont had it originally.

And I did mean the Christmas break, which is why I gave the dates that I did. I thought it went without saying that the players would never get a break until mid-January.

Of course it goes without saying the players would never get a break until mid-Jan. Didn't understand the dates you meant by winter break because the dates didn't add up.

Per Andy Katz and ESPN, Marquette/Michigan is the first round match up most commonly discussed for 2K Classic.

Some potential scheduling for early-season tournaments: Coaches have confirmed the Hall of Fame matchups Nov. 19-20 at the Mohegan Sun: Duke-Penn State, Cincinnati-URI; CBE Nov. 21-22 in Kansas City with Kansas-UAB, GW-Georgia; The Legends Classic isn't official yet but at least one coach expects it to be Notre Dame-Colorado, Texas-Northwestern Nov. 21-22 in Brooklyn; The 2K Classic in NYC hasn't been announced yet either but the matchups being discussed most were Marquette-Michigan, SMU-Pitt for the Nov. 17-18 games at MSG; The Men Who Speak Up Main Event in Las Vegas Nov. 21-23 has found its fourth team as Saint Louis coach Travis Ford confirmed the Billikens replaced Minnesota to join BYU, Alabama and Valparaiso. The matchups aren't available yet. And Maui Invitational organizer Dave Odom said the Maui bracket will be announced on July 19.

Interesting.

On MU Athletics page for the team schedule, it now lists Howard as the opponent on 11/14.

So, we start with Vandy, Howard, Michigan, SMU/Pitt. Very tough early schedule for a team that has many new parts. Will certainly test Wojo and his staff to get this team on the same page.

With Vandy having a new coach, I think that is a game where we actually have an advantage. I have to admit that I think the games in NY are going to be a problem though. That is a very tough slate of opponents.

Tough start, but I think we have a decent shot to start 3-1. I like our odds against a Vandy team with a new coach and without Baldwin and Jones. And while Howard will have a real shot to win the MEAC, that should be a win. While I think Michigan is a very, very tough game, if we lose there's a good chance we get a SMU team that lost a lot from last year. I think we either beat Michigan and lose to Pitt or lose to Michigan and beat SMU. I have a real hard time seeing past Pitt winning out there. They will be very good.

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Originally Posted by Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"

Tough start, but I think we have a decent shot to start 3-1. I like our odds against a Vandy team with a new coach and without Baldwin and Jones. And while Howard will have a real shot to win the MEAC, that should be a win. While I think Michigan is a very, very tough game, if we lose there's a good chance we get a SMU team that lost a lot from last year. I think we either beat Michigan and lose to Pitt or lose to Michigan and beat SMU. I have a real hard time seeing past Pitt winning out there. They will be very good.

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Pitt will have a new coach in Stallings, so could conceivably have a slow start.

Wow, Fresno State, Bucks schedule will determine game between Georgia and Wisconsin.

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Originally Posted by MU/Panther

Wow, Fresno State, Bucks schedule will determine game between Georgia and Wisconsin.

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Ultimately its a Tuesday or Wednesday. No biggie either way.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

Ultimately its a Tuesday or Wednesday. No biggie either way.

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True as to the day of week, but I think Panther was alluding to the whole week... @ Georgia and Fresno and UW at the BC. Not a shabby NC week with no tourneys involved.

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Originally Posted by Nukem2

True as to the day of week, but I think MUPanther was alluding to the whole week... @ Georgia and Fresno and UW at the BC. Not a shabby NC week with no tourneys involved.

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Correct. Tough week. Road game at Georgia on Sunday. Mid-week game versus Fresno State and Wisconsin on that Saturday. Most thought, even myself, that Fresno State would be over winter break. Between Dec. 17th- Dec. 22 range.

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Originally Posted by MU/Panther

Correct. Tough week. Road game at Georgia on Sunday. Mid-week game versus Fresno State and Wisconsin on that Saturday. Most thought, even myself, that Fresno State would be over winter break. Between Dec. 17th- Dec. 22 range.

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Ah got it. Yeah I kind of assumed they would be playing them Dec. 17 after the finals break.

Can we/should we beat Georgia? Have UGA friends, so need to know how much to bet?

Its official per Jon Rothstein - Marquette vs Michigan in the Wounded Warrior Classic

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/sta...59180379832321

11/22/16
IUPUI (188 rpi)

So 11/13 non conference teams announced with the potentially weakest opponent to be Houston Baptist. Likely to be two duds post UW-Madison game to get ready for Conference play, but they did a nice job of beefing up the bottom portion of the schedule. Not a real marquee game in the group, but no duds either.

10 of 13 we know. 3 teams left to be announced. The weakest might be Howard.

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Originally Posted by IrwinFletcher

So 11/13 non conference teams announced with the potentially weakest opponent to be Houston Baptist. Likely to be two duds post UW-Madison game to get ready for Conference play, but they did a nice job of beefing up the bottom portion of the schedule. Not a real marquee game in the group, but no duds either.

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I think only 9 have been announced. (Rockhurt is the exhibition.) With the Wisconsin game slated for 12/10, that would mean three more. So one for 12/17, one early that next week, with the final one either that Friday before Christmas or during the conference season.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

I think only 9 have been announced. (Rockhurt is the exhibition.) With the Wisconsin game slated for 12/10, that would mean three more. So one for 12/17, one early that next week, with the final one either that Friday before Christmas or during the conference season.

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I agree, we could see 12/17, 12/19 & 12/22 or 12/23.

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Originally Posted by MU/Panther

10 of 13 we know. 3 teams left to be announced. The weakest might be Howard.

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Howard's not the weakest on the schedule currently. Houston Baptist looks like a stinker. I also think Howard is probably better than IUPUI or WCU, especially in terms of schedule impact.

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Originally Posted by Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"

Howard's not the weakest on the schedule currently. Houston Baptist looks like a stinker. I also think Howard is probably better than IUPUI or WCU, especially in terms of schedule impact.

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I'm just going off the RPI from last season. Howard is the weakest going off of last season.

How do you think Howard is probably better than IUPUI or Western Carolina in terms of schedule impact? I would guess both will have a better RPI in 2016-17 than Howard.

Because RPI doesn't care about the RPI of your opponents, only their record and their opponents record. IUPUI is a great example. They had a good schedule which reflected on their RPI, but their record was only 12-18 in qualifying games, so they'd be a negative our RPI.

Personally, I feel the best metric to evaluate a team is how well they typically do in conference play because that is the bulk of their games and makes up more than 50% of how their record impacts your RPI. This upcoming year, Howard projects very well in league play. They return the league MVP and will be a tough out. Houston Baptist and Western Carolina in particular lose a lot and will likely have losing records, so regardless of season end RPI, I'll take the team with the better record and consistent league play.

Because RPI doesn't care about the RPI of your opponents, only their record and their opponents record. IUPUI is a great example. They had a good schedule which reflected on their RPI, but their record was only 12-18 in qualifying games, so they'd be a negative our RPI.

Personally, I feel the best metric to evaluate a team is how well they typically do in conference play because that is the bulk of their games and makes up more than 50% of how their record impacts your RPI. This upcoming year, Howard projects very well in league play. They return the league MVP and will be a tough out. Houston Baptist and Western Carolina in particular lose a lot and will likely have losing records, so regardless of season end RPI, I'll take the team with the better record and consistent league play.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

I think only 9 have been announced. (Rockhurt is the exhibition.) With the Wisconsin game slated for 12/10, that would mean three more. So one for 12/17, one early that next week, with the final one either that Friday before Christmas or during the conference season.

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Well actually in their tweet about the UW game, they said "MU will then break for finals before last 2 non-league games."

So they are leaving a game on the table?

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

So they are leaving a game on the table?

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They're just throwing us all off the scent, so they can announce a special game against Northern Southern A&T at the Al.

I'm fine with one less game to make it 30 games and one less ho-umm game to go to at the Bradley Center.

Have they left a game on the table before?

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Originally Posted by MUfan12

They're just throwing us all off the scent, so they can announce a special game against Northern Southern A&T at the Al.

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Dangerous squad, don't want to play them in March!

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

Have they left a game on the table before?

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I want to say no they have not. Season-tickets are sold by a base price, not in total amount of games. That change happened around in 2009, with the three different tiers of single game pricing. How the dates were falling, leaving a game off to do another mid-January game. Mid-week game. With the team and fans that could have cared less in the 2nd half, they might have just passed on it.

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Originally Posted by MU/Panther

I want to say no they have not. Season-tickets are sold by a base price, not in total amount of games. That change happened around in 2009, with the three different tiers of single game pricing. How the dates were falling, leaving a game off to do another mid-January game. Mid-week game. With the team and fans that could have cared less in the 2nd half, they might have just passed on it.

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Especially with an opponent like Stetson who could drag the RPI down.