This Loss Is On WOJO!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Djgoldnboy

That was the quickest 1 second count I've seen.

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But it might not have been 1 second. The clock would show 1 second even if there was only 1/10 of a second left.

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Originally Posted by Markedman

But it might not have been 1 second. The clock would show 1 second even if there was only 1/10 of a second left.

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I thought the jump ball whistle was slow.

As far as the clock, I too thought it was quick. I'm drawing a complete and total blank on the shot and game clock in college - the NBA goes to tenths of a second for both game and shot clock, but not for college?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Tucker_Rule

Have posted this in the past, but we lost because we took 8 less shots. Turnovers killed us again

Duane had 7 turnovers. He needs to be better.

A couple weeks ago this could've been a romp, this team is (finally) getting better. Now it needs to figure out consistency

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Originally Posted by 79warrior

This loss was on 20 turnovers. Period.

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Yeah, we out rebounded them, we shot a good percentage from three. Had more free throws until the end, more steals, more blocks.
Our assist ratio could have been better.
But it was the turnovers that killed us. Value every possession.

Turnovers is the Achilles heal which isn't surprising because both our pgs are freshmen.

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Originally Posted by kneelb4zerg

Turnovers is the Achilles heal which isn't surprising because both our pgs are freshmen.

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And 1 of our point guards is really a 2 guard learning to play the point.

Also our bigs have turned it over a lot this year as well. Today Duane was the major culprit.

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Originally Posted by CaribouJim

I thought the jump ball whistle was slow.

As far as the clock, I too thought it was quick. I'm drawing a complete and total blank on the shot and game clock in college - the NBA goes to tenths of a second for both game and shot clock, but not for college?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Tucker_Rule

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Yep no tenths just seconds on the shot clocks in college. I assume that is also the case with the game clock but not sure.

I tend to agree that taking Henry out at that point was a big mistake. For consecutive games, Wojo has killed rallies by changing personnel when things were clicking. Against Seton Hall, he took out an effective Luke when they got the lead down to 3, and Sandy comes in to turn the ball over on a charge. Today, MU had momentum and Had an effective offense going. Wojo pulls Henry, and momentum disappears. MU lost because X is great and MU turns the ball over way too much, but I also think that momentum is huge in basketball, and the substitutions killed that momentum.

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Originally Posted by 21rooster

I tend to agree that taking Henry out at that point was a big mistake. For consecutive games, Wojo has killed rallies by changing personnel when things were clicking. Against Seton Hall, he took out an effective Luke when they got the lead down to 3, and Sandy comes in to turn the ball over on a charge. Today, MU had momentum and Had an effective offense going. Wojo pulls Henry, and momentum disappears. MU lost because X is great and MU turns the ball over way too much, but I also think that momentum is huge in basketball, and the substitutions killed that momentum.

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He isn't going to play the whole game. Guys get tired.....they need a blow.....come on.

I thought MU played a helluva game. Not a perfect game, but well enough to beat a top 10 team. Xavier did what they had to do to win.

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Originally Posted by MKE_GoldenEagleFan

Get a grip man, Traci has historically struggled in late game situations. The story again was turnovers.

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...and Traci had only two and the two guys that were playing point in his absence had 11 between them. Traci also lead the team in assists with 7.

I too was wondering where Traci was. I just would have preferred Traci dishing to Duane and HC rather than those two sometimes forcing the issue.

Yes, Traci put up a couple ill-advised 3's and missed a layup after making a nice move, but to summarily dismiss and jump on PW's disappointment in not seeing Traci in there towards the tail end of the game went just as overboard as maybe PW's tone (but not substance IMO).

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Originally Posted by CaribouJim

...and Traci had only two and the two guys that were playing point in his absence had 11 between them. Traci also lead the team in assists with 7.

I too was wondering where Traci was. I just would have preferred Traci dishing to Duane and HC rather than those two sometimes forcing the issue.

Yes, Traci put up a couple ill-advised 3's and missed a layup after making a nice move, but to summarily dismiss and jump on PW's disappointment in not seeing Traci in there towards the tail end of the game went just as overboard as maybe PW's tone (but not substance IMO).

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So in this scenario, JJ would be on the bench, and he was really good the last 4 minutes or so. We certainly aren't going to bench Luke or Henry, and ditto to Duane. So the last two spots are TC, Haaney or JJ.

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Originally Posted by IrwinFletcher

So in this scenario, JJ would be on the bench, and he was really good the last 4 minutes or so. We certainly aren't going to bench Luke or Henry, and ditto to Duane. So the last two spots are TC, Haaney or JJ.

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Why "ditto to Duane"? Wasn't the consensus that T/O's was MU's undoing today? Would it have hurt to sit him for 2-3 minutes? Just my opinion - you have yours.

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Originally Posted by Markedman

He isn't going to play the whole game. Guys get tired.....they need a blow.....come on.

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After seeing this, I checked Henry's minutes. At 36 minutes,I think I have to concede. Wojo had to give Henry a break at some point. Timing didn't seem ideal, but then again, what would be ideal?

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Originally Posted by 21rooster

After seeing this, I checked Henry's minutes. At 36 minutes,I think I have to concede. Wojo had to give Henry a break at some point. Timing didn't seem ideal, but then again, what would be ideal?

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Ideally? Clock at triple 0 and Marquette ahead on the scoreboard.:p

Funny, the loss was Wojo's fault, but going toe to toe with the number 6 team on their home court? Magically happened.

Traci was in at the end of the 1st half and MU had four empty, rushed possessions with a Haanif in foul trouble. Wojo clearly prefers Cheatam in those situations, for better or worse. Both have a lot of potential, but both turn the ball over a lot. PG experience cures a lot of coaching ills.

If my math is correct, in Big East play, Traci has 42 assists and 25 TO's including 14 assists and 4 TO's in two games against X.

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Originally Posted by CaribouJim

If my math is correct, in Big East play, Traci has 42 assists and 25 TO's including 14 assists and 4 TO's in two games against X.

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Per conference stats at gomarquette.com, Traci has 48 assists and 27 TO's in 21.5 mpg.

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Originally Posted by Nukem2

Per conference stats at gomarquette.com, Traci has 48 assists and 27 TO's in 21.5 mpg.

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Whoops - did it manually in my head game by game - must have missed a game. Didnt know that resource existed - thanks Nukem2!

Nobody is saying Traci sucks, but he makes freshman mistakes when things get rushed, like during end of game situations. Duane had a lot of turnovers but is normally much more solid in late game situations. I have no issue with that decision, even at the very worst it's a toss up call.