Georgetown should be PO'd

This reminds me of a story a U.S. Attorney told me about the random selection of judges. He said you would see attorneys giving each other high fives or in total despair based on who they would have to deal with on the bench for their trial.

The rule changes in college basketball and the reconfigured league have compounded the foul problem for the NBE. Lets pray things get to somewhere near fair as the journey continues.

On a personal sad note all the fouls extending the game meant that out in Eugene where I was watching the contest the cable provider cut away to show the Oregon State game with five minutes left in the Marquette/Georgetown struggle.

Prior to this year, for the most part, if there was a bump or touch while a player was dribbling or driving the hoop, if the defense gained no advantage and the offensive player wasn't really affected, there was no call. Last night there were a ton of these type of calls, and not only when guys were going to the hoop.

I get some of the calls GTown's bigs had against Davante, he was hit going up for the shot. Some of those fouls were just bad or lazy defensive positioning.
I no longer have any idea what a charge is. If you slip on the floor there is a foul. If you trip over your own two feet that is a foul on someone on the D.

The way the fouls are being called now, or at least last night, you are almost forcing teams to play zone D, as playing an agressive man to man is just asking to be called for silly fouls.

They need to figure it out before next year because players obviously don't know what is or isn't allowed, and the game is tough to watch when you don't go a full minute without a stoppage in play.

The T's....

Jake's - Jake explained in post game. This was new like Gato said, but during a time out they tweaked it a bit and the way they drew it up, it was all about timing. Had to be timed just right or it would not work. So Jake comes around the corner and Chew is yelling at him, "You're too late! You're too late!" Jake hit the shot, looked at Chew and shook his head. Two trips down the court and they do it again. Chew yells, "You're too late! You're too late!" Jake hits it again. He looks at Chew again and shakes his head no, this time exaggerated. ref thinks he's doing it to G'Town.

Jake said it was the second T of his entire career, said he got one at North Dakota for hanging on the rim, and added, "I know no one will believe that."

Make up T: Justified. Player ran down court, turned to set up for D and yelled, "Come on MFer, let's go! FU MFer!" Yep, justified.

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Originally Posted by Jim Ganzer, "IWB"

The T's....

Jake's - Jake explained in post game. This was new like Gato said, but during a time out they tweaked it a bit and the way they drew it up, it was all about timing. Had to be timed just right or it would not work. So Jake comes around the corner and Chew is yelling at him, "You're too late! You're too late!" Jake hit the shot, looked at Chew and shook his head. Two trips down the court and they do it again. Chew yells, "You're too late! You're too late!" Jake hits it again. He looks at Chew again and shakes his head no, this time exaggerated. ref thinks he's doing it to G'Town.

Jake said it was the second T of his entire career, said he got one at North Dakota for hanging on the rim, and added, "I know no one will believe that."

Make up T: Justified. Player ran down court, turned to set up for D and yelled, "Come on MFer, let's go! FU MFer!" Yep, justified.

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So why doesn't the ref just talk to Jake?

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

So why doesn't the ref just talk to Jake?

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How are you supposed to take over a game if you let the guys explain themselves?

Just looking at the numbers again...Georgetown ran out four big men last night, Hopkins, Ayegba, Hayes, and Lubick. They combined for 18 fouls in 43 minutes played. That is absolutely ridiculous. While Marquette certainly went to work drawing those fouls, those numbers are just silly.

Which bloke here in the sidelines floor money seats opposite the GU bench was jawing with Stephens on that GU slip, tripping phantom foul call on Juan towards the end of the game? LMAO. Stephens was jawing back pretty hard and I was expecting a technical or escort out. The fan looked like he was watching the play on his mobile and verbally playing it back to the ref how he missed it. I would have loved to hear that back and forth.

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Originally Posted by brewcity77

Just looking at the numbers again...Georgetown ran out four big men last night, Hopkins, Ayegba, Hayes, and Lubick. They combined for 18 fouls in 43 minutes played. That is absolutely ridiculous. While Marquette certainly went to work drawing those fouls, those numbers are just silly.

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While I agree that that is a lot of fouls in a short period of time, I have trouble remembering more than three of them that were even questionable. Georgetown's post defenders are foul prone. They umbrella the offensive player rather then keep their arms straight up. They push with their hands and not their hips. They get in foul trouble every game. Combine that with Gardner's ability to draw fouls and a tightly called game and I blame them for not adjusting.

4 of Lubick's fouls were 100% no brainer calls. There was one phantom off the ball foul on him that I did not see because I was not focused on him, but he gets 1 or 2 of those a game, so to think he was totally innocent is a little naive. Ayegba is pretty much a self proclaimed enforcer. Go to Georgetown's board they bemoan his lack of common sense constantly. He is a foul waiting to happen. He had a couple of those fouls where you don't see them unless they show the replay, but he always does. His reputation kills him and he has done nothing to adjust all season. All of Hopkins fouls were legit. Three of them were wild attempts to block shots with a lot of contact and one he just threw his man out of the way on a rebound. Hayes is an inexperienced defender and Gardner schooled him. Once again, 3 of his 4 fouls were obvious. He actually could have been called for a couple other, but I think the officials pulled back because of the volume of calls. So out of 18 fouls, I have trouble coming up with 4 that maybe should not have been called.

You have to adjust to the officials. Why not run a double team at Gardner rather then watch all of your big men foul out in one on one matchups that they were obviously losing. I can't remember one double team the whole night. JTIII said after the game that his perimeter guys were supposed to be doubling, but they were apprehensive because Marquette was hitting shots. He said that apprehension was making the double teams come too late. Do you want the officials to put their whistles away because of Georgetown's defensive inadequacies? Should they bail out Georgetown's late rotations because their post players are incapable of covering Gardner and they are fouling too much?

I agree with you for the most part. I am not a fan of those phantom off the ball fouls. I think the refs called too many of them. But they were consistent with those calls the whole game. Make adjustments.

The foul on Juan wasn't BS, Juan fouled him. It was right in front of my face. Thing is, he didn't have to.

The player slipped and was falling on his own. Basically tried to cut too hard. Ball was starting to pop out and Juan couldn't help himself. He reached in and hit him on the arm.

Problem was the ref called it a blocking foul. There was no block, not even close, but Juan did reach in and hit him on the arm. Reaching foul yes, not a blocking foul.

Agreed, Orlando, they needed to adjust. I guess I am just more of a fan of the refs letting guys get away with a bit in exchange for a smoother flow of the game. This year seems to have a lot of game-to-game inconsistencies as well. That said, GT definitely has guys that are foul prone. Lubick and Hopkins seem to have had those problems for ages now.