Tubby Gone

Made the tourny and won a game...not enough....

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...t-at-minnesota

Will my old prediction of Shaka Smart to Minnesota to join his former VCU AD take hold?

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Originally Posted by Markedman

Made the tourny and won a game...not enough....

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...t-at-minnesota

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Interesting that AD Teague hired Shaka Smart. Interesting spot for Smart.

Nice of Goodman to include Buzz's name in the mix. Really, Buzz to Minn? Why?

"Expect Teague to take a shot at persuading Smart to rejoin him, but it's a longshot. Also expect names such as former Minnesota Timberwolves coach Flip Saunders to be tossed around, but I'd be surprised if these guys don't delve into the coaching ranks. Remember, the Teague-Ellis duo is as familiar with college coaches as any administrative duo in the nation after starting up the Villa 7 years ago. Look for these guys to also see if Marquette coach Buzz Williams, who was involved with Villa 7, is interested in making a move."

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Originally Posted by Goose85

Interesting that AD Teague hired Shaka Smart. Interesting spot for Smart.

Nice of Goodman to include Buzz's name in the mix. Really, Buzz to Minn? Why?

"Expect Teague to take a shot at persuading Smart to rejoin him, but it's a longshot. Also expect names such as former Minnesota Timberwolves coach Flip Saunders to be tossed around, but I'd be surprised if these guys don't delve into the coaching ranks. Remember, the Teague-Ellis duo is as familiar with college coaches as any administrative duo in the nation after starting up the Villa 7 years ago. Look for these guys to also see if Marquette coach Buzz Williams, who was involved with Villa 7, is interested in making a move."

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Buzz needs a raise this offseason, deserves one, and I believe will get one.

Roll up the brinks truck. Keep him here. Do what Pitt just did with Jamie Dixon.
Minnesota is a crappy job, and I doubt they would even pay what MU pays Buzz right now.

As TedBaxter said, would this be a Shaka Smart destination? Would they pay enough to get him?

Buzz to Minnesota makes about as much sense as Kevin O'Neill to Tennessee....and would be about as damning an indictment if he did leave.

Maybe Goodman is putting Buzz' name out there so the Marquette administration takes notice?

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Originally Posted by Goose85

As TedBaxter said, would this be a Shaka Smart destination? Would they pay enough to get him?

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I wonder is Shaka is deciding between UCLA and this. Minny is not a bad job by any means (and VCU is basically in CAA 2.0 in new A-10), and would have not the crazy pressure of UCLA.

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Originally Posted by TedBaxter

Maybe Goodman is putting Buzz' name out there so the Marquette administration takes notice?

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Bingo, Buzz needs a little respect money.

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Originally Posted by TedBaxter

Maybe Goodman is putting Buzz' name out there so the Marquette administration takes notice?

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Maybe, but at some point that does get a little ridiculous though. Really are we going to have to go through this every off-season?

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Originally Posted by warriorfan4life

I wonder is Shaka is deciding between UCLA and this. Minny is not a bad job by any means (and VCU is basically in CAA 2.0 in new A-10), and would have not the crazy pressure of UCLA.

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Minnesota isn't a bad job? Well, it certainly isn't a good job. They've been to the Sweet 16 four times, one of which was vacated. They've won their conference twice since 1937.

Shaka might go there because of the personal connection with the AD, but I would doubt he sniffs this job otherwise.

Does anyone really think Buzz would go to a colder climate? I hope Shaka just takes the UCLA job so the rumors can calm down.

I have no problem giving him a raise but he is already getting "respect money".....He is more then fairly compensated for his results.....I think an increase would be more about reaffirming a commitment to each other...which would be a good thing considering all the changes that have taken place.

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Originally Posted by warriorfan4life

Bingo, Buzz needs a little respect money.

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Originally Posted by Markedman

I have no problem giving him a raise but he is already not getting "respect money".....He is more then fairly compensated for his results.....I think an increase would be more about reaffirming a commitment to each other...which would be a good thing considering all the changes that have taken place.

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I really like how you said this. I know about all the issues between Buzz and the administration, and some of this is unavoidable, but at some point this type of off-season stuff gets a little ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by TheSultan

I really like how you said this. I know about all the issues between Buzz and the administration, and some of this is unavoidable, but at some point this type of off-season stuff gets a little ridiculous.

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Exactly, not necessarily a massive pay bump (though I think Buzz is one of top five-ten coaches and would pay him as such), but something that shows how much Marquette values him.

Twitter person who claims she is in the know:

@NadineBabu 51m #Gophers RT @DanBarreiroKFAN: If there is indeed already a verbal agreement -- I can't confirm -- it is NOT with Flip.

Nadine Babu ‏@NadineBabu 51m Once again, it is just a rumor that a new coach has already verbally accepted, but my source has been dead on.

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Twitter person who claims she is in the know:

@NadineBabu 51m #Gophers RT @DanBarreiroKFAN: If there is indeed already a verbal agreement -- I can't confirm -- it is NOT with Flip.

Nadine Babu ‏@NadineBabu 51m Once again, it is just a rumor that a new coach has already verbally accepted, but my source has been dead on.

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I think there's a good chance that it is Shaka. Easy to connect the dots. Our guy J.B. has been all over this as well.

Edit: To go back to Sultan's post, I think Minnesota has largely underachieved over the years. They are the only D-1 school in a state that produces a respectable amount of talent, and people there are fiercely loyal to U of M. I think the right coach could totally lock down the state and put the Gophers in the upper half to upper third of the B1G. They have to improve facilities, but there is potential in this job and not crazy expectations.

Interesting that both Goodman and Parrish mention Buzz and Larry's relationship.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...h-at-minnesota

My favorite part of coaches getting fired: rival coaches in the same league getting upset about it. Of course Izzo is upset that Tubby was fired, they might hire someone who is competent and there will be one less pushover on his schedule. Lame.

Buzz is already a top ten paid coach.....and his contract layout (revolving) is at his request. So locking him down to long term contract...like Pitt just did...does't make sense either.

I think someone suggest a few months ago (on this board) that MU making a large contribution to Buzz's Bunch might say more to Buzz then a bigger...longer contract. I would agree....

LW is getting quite a bit of implied negative publcity - mostly due to his own doing. He can not be happy about that.

And if Buzz were to take a job at someplace like Minnesota, that public image of LW will suffer even more.

On top of that, his image among propsective candidates will also suffer. After all, here's a guy, Buzz, who has become a media darling, is an obvious success as a coach, is repsected, even revered by his players, has said that he will stay at MU as long as he's wanted, choosing to take another offer. What is the message to future potential candidates for the MU job? Stay away from this guy (LW).

Larry has put himself between the proverbial rock and a hard place. If Buzz leaves, Larry may just get crushed by the repercussions. If that happens, I'd be more than willing to buy a ticket to watch his demise.

Do I sound bitter? Upset?

Remind me again why freshmen ball players should stay in the dorm separated from the rest of their teammates.

Remind me again why an AD publicly chastised his head coach for a harmless 15-second two step even after the coach had already apologized on national t.v. if he offended anyone.

Remind me about suspending the coach not just from coaching a game but for 48 hours with no contact allowed with anyone in the program because of an assistant's minor recruiting infraction. (Buzz was not responsible for the follow-up lies and should not have been held accountable for someone else's stupidity.)

Larry has made his own bed, and if Buzz leaves, LW will have to sleep in it, and deservedly so.

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Originally Posted by Phantom Warrior

LW is getting quite a bit of implied negative publcity - mostly due to his own doing. He can not be happy about that.

And if Buzz were to take a job at someplace like Minnesota, that public image of LW will suffer even more.

On top of that, his image among propsective candidates will also suffer. After all, here's a guy, Buzz, who has become a media darling, is an obvious success as a coach, is repsected, even revered by his players, has said that he will stay at MU as long as he's wanted, choosing to take another offer. What is the message to future potential candidates for the MU job? Stay away from this guy (LW).

Larry has put himself between the proverbial rock and a hard place. If Buzz leaves, Larry may just get crushed by the repercussions. If that happens, I'd be more than willing to buy a ticket to watch his demise.

Do I sound bitter? Upset?

Remind me again why freshmen ball players should stay in the dorm separated from the rest of their teammates.

Remind me again why an AD publicly chastised his head coach for a harmless 15-second two step even after the coach had already apologized on national t.v. if he offended anyone.

Remind me about suspending the coach not just from coaching a game but for 48 hours with no contact allowed with anyone in the program because of an assistant's minor recruiting infraction. (Buzz was not responsible for the follow-up lies and should not have been held accountable for someone else's stupidity.)

Larry has made his own bed, and if Buzz leaves, LW will have to sleep in it, and deservedly so.

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Let me go contrarian with you Silver.

In regards to LW's public image and that it would hurt in hiring another coach. What about the public image of the UCLA and MINN AD's who fired successful coaches who did a lot for their respective programs? Both programs were reeling at the time they were hired and brought levels of success that neither program had had in some time. Doesn't sound like they are hurting at this point (though it is early in the process for both).

In regards to the Buzz suspension. Buzz has suspended many players for games, half of games and even sent them home for the summer. Did those players pout and mope and run away? No. It was a lesson that they could learn from and become better people. They made mistakes, were punished, accepted it and came back.

If Buzz is in fact deeply pissed about the suspension, I would consider him to be a bit hypocritical since he employs the same tactics on his own players.

Again, just being contratrian here....

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Originally Posted by IrwinFletcher

If Buzz is in fact deeply pissed about the suspension, I would consider him to be a bit hypocritical since he employs the same tactics on his own players.

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I don't think Buzz has ever suspended a player for something a manager did.

I have no problem with the suspension given how the NCAA is making head coaches responsible for the actions of their assistants. I would hope that Buzz understands that nuance.

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Originally Posted by kneelb4zerg

I have no problem with the suspension given how the NCAA is making head coaches responsible for the actions of their assistants. I would hope that Buzz understands that nuance.

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Are there examples of this happening in D-1 men's BB? I'm not sure that I have heard of it yet, but might have missed it.

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Originally Posted by Westcoastwarrior

Buzz is already a top ten paid coach.....

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I am not sure if that is true. A few years ago he received a large one time retention bonus. That year his salary was leaked out and ever since people have said he was paid in the top 5-10. He was that year, but that was with the one time retention bonus. He is still paid very well, and could be up there, I'm just not sure if top 10 is accurate post bonus.

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Originally Posted by farmerdoc

Are there examples of this happening in D-1 men's BB? I'm not sure that I have heard of it yet, but might have missed it.

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http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1659413

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Originally Posted by Phantom Warrior

LW is getting quite a bit of implied negative publcity - mostly due to his own doing. He can not be happy about that.

And if Buzz were to take a job at someplace like Minnesota, that public image of LW will suffer even more.

On top of that, his image among propsective candidates will also suffer. After all, here's a guy, Buzz, who has become a media darling, is an obvious success as a coach, is repsected, even revered by his players, has said that he will stay at MU as long as he's wanted, choosing to take another offer. What is the message to future potential candidates for the MU job? Stay away from this guy (LW).

Larry has put himself between the proverbial rock and a hard place. If Buzz leaves, Larry may just get crushed by the repercussions. If that happens, I'd be more than willing to buy a ticket to watch his demise.

Do I sound bitter? Upset?

Remind me again why freshmen ball players should stay in the dorm separated from the rest of their teammates.

Remind me again why an AD publicly chastised his head coach for a harmless 15-second two step even after the coach had already apologized on national t.v. if he offended anyone.

Remind me about suspending the coach not just from coaching a game but for 48 hours with no contact allowed with anyone in the program because of an assistant's minor recruiting infraction. (Buzz was not responsible for the follow-up lies and should not have been held accountable for someone else's stupidity.)

Larry has made his own bed, and if Buzz leaves, LW will have to sleep in it, and deservedly so.

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Phantom, I'm going to have to disagree with you on some points. The first being frosh and soph requirement. Why freshmen ball players should stay in the dorm separated from the rest of their teammates? Because they are STUDENT athletes, at least theoretically, right? Does their entire college experience have to be tied into b-ball? I get depressed when I go to campus and run into players hanging with just players - nice that they get along, but it would be nice to see them just once, once hanging with the regular Joes on campus. I'm sure they do, but if they do I think it is minimal at best. I see no problem with them being in the dorms for at least one year. One of my brothers lived down the hall from Earl Tatum and got to know him and another brother who was on Oliver Lee's floor and got to know him as well. When Larry Williams was in Chicago for the Circles event in the fall he had a Q&A and I told him how much I agreed with him on the dorm policy. After the event, he sought me out to shake my hand and thank me and based on the look on his face it is obvious that he has been getting pummeled for it. Do these kids have to be under the b-ball bubble 24-7? I know Buzz is not happy about it, but you know something? Tough. Do these coaches get a blank checkbook? Anyway, I think you can make it a plus in the context of recruiting - part of Buzz's pitch can be "Mr. and Mrs. Parents we want Joey to graduate from MU as a complete person beyond b-ball. We're looking for big things from Joey on the team and hopefully he has a future at the next level, but we know that may not be the case whether due to injury or his skill sets are not a fit for the next level. For those reasons we want Joey to experience as normal as possible college experience, establishing friendships that last a lifetime that have no ties to the basketball side of his life. His class at Marquette will graduate many successful people we want Joey to have them as part of his network of friends and possibly work associates for the rest of his life. His experience at MU will be a well rounded experience athletically, academically and socially." I graduated 33 years ago and just today was in a seemingly never ending e-mail thread with about 20 guys I graduated with starting with the NCAA's and branched off to funny stories from MU. I've used a few of the guys over the years networking to secure jobs.

As far as Buzz getting suspended, wasn't that a preemptive strike for the new "the buck stops here" policy right? Haven't we all been subject to that same policy in one way or another? I've been slammed when a direct report of mine has f'd up or failed to perform up to standards - that stuff goes in the debit column. Buzz is responsible for his direct reports, whether they be coaches and/or players, at least in context to the b-ball program.

Lastly, your tone on Larry Williams is a little over the top IMO. Yes, he had a clumsy start for sure. A new boss can cause stress all around, but the C7 just transitioned conference affiliations in a very high profile and very favorably accepted manner and he was quoted often during the whole process and seemed right on message to me.

MU has been very, very good to Buzz and Buzz has been very, very good for MU. Can't things be mutually beneficial? I agree that an MU contribution to "Buzz's Bunch" would be a nice touch, but I agree with Sultan, having to grovel every time a high profile opening happens doesn't seem right to me.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...ame-suspension

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...g-head-coaches

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http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1659413

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Thanks........

As far as Buzz's suspension, it was overkill.

Buzz was suspended, oststensibly, due to a recruiting violation on his watch. It was a minor infraction, the type of infraction that happens all the time. Other schools/programs don't suspend a coach for a single minor infraction. As for the assistant lying to the administration, that is a separate issue that does not involve Buzz.

If LW wanted to make a statement to Buzz about who is in control, a one-game suspension was certainly sufficient. And the first conference game on national t.v. to boot.

But no, that wasn't enough for LW. Forcing Buzz to have zero contact with his players, the assistant coaches, anyone affiliated with the program in any way for 48 hours? Please! That was ridiculous. And it was bullcrap.

Not to mention the suspension's effect on the team. No, your coach can't coach you for two days even though we have another conference game coming up.

It was a damn power play. Period. I'm sorry, but an AD has no business treating a coach in such a manner unless there was a serious offense. Just as an AD has no business publicly chastising a coach for the silly little dance Buzz did after an emotional win.

LW is a schmuck, and if Buzz leaves and even one of many factors turns out to be LW, then LW deserves any and all flak he catches, and from my standpoint, the more flak, the better.

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Originally Posted by Phantom Warrior

As far as Buzz's suspension, it was overkill.

Buzz was suspended, oststensibly, due to a recruiting violation on his watch. It was a minor infraction, the type of infraction that happens all the time. Other schools/programs don't suspend a coach for a single minor infraction. As for the assistant lying to the administration, that is a separate issue that does not involve Buzz.

If LW wanted to make a statement to Buzz about who is in control, a one-game suspension was certainly sufficient. And the first conference game on national t.v. to boot.

But no, that wasn't enough for LW. Forcing Buzz to have zero contact with his players, the assistant coaches, anyone affiliated with the program in any way for 48 hours? Please! That was ridiculous. And it was bullcrap.

Not to mention the suspension's effect on the team. No, your coach can't coach you for two days even though we have another conference game coming up.

It was a damn power play. Period. I'm sorry, but an AD has no business treating a coach in such a manner unless there was a serious offense. Just as an AD has no business publicly chastising a coach for the silly little dance Buzz did after an emotional win.

LW is a schmuck, and if Buzz leaves and even one of many factors turns out to be LW, then LW deserves any and all flak he catches, and from my standpoint, the more flak, the better.

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How do you know that no contact condition isn't in line with NCAA guidelines?

A couple of things -

First off, the article that was linked says on page two states, "A head coach is presumed responsible for major/Level I and Level II violations (e.g. academic fraud, recruiting inducements)"

Those are major infractions. academic fraud, paying players/street agents.
T-shirts and a ride are not major infractions, they are secondary.

Larry even said back then that it wouldn't have been a big deal had the assistant not lied about it. With that statement, that means that Buzz was not suspended for the violation, but for the assistant lying.

Point is, pointing to new NCAA regulations that are not yet in place nor applicable to the situation in question is not a good argument.

On the dorms - I understand and respect what Caribou is saying, but the fact that other programs are using this against MU on the recruiting trail says that it is a big deal. And while mom likes the kid to blend into the community, when he takes his next two visits and sees the facilities that their players live in, it can hurt recruiting. Also, that dorm isn't about all basketball all the time, it is about them being more comfortable when they travel during the season. It is about having higher doorways, longer beds, higher shower heads and private bathrooms. It is about having air conditioning during the summer etc etc.

Well, I didn't mean that the regulations would necessarily apply here. But doing something proactive that mirrors the thrust of those new rules could be construed favorably in terms of promoting an atmosphere of compliance. At least that is my read on it.

How is this helping anything Phantom? You seem to know all of the facts? I don't and neither do you. To continue your name calling rants are pretty childish in my opinion.

It was right to fire Monarch. It was fine to suspend Buzz. We needed to send a message as an institution. Was it fair to Buzz? No. But he has Monarch to blame, not Larry. Dorm issue I agree with Buzz. Like Caribou, I went to MU when players and rest of student body hung together with one caveat--African American students hung at the Multi Cultural Center. We white guys were invited from time to time. Otherwise, players were spread around the dorms and ended up at the bars on Friday and Saturday. As good as that was, I think we need to compete with the big boys and truth is the amenities are a big deal. Because of that, we need the players to have highest quality facilities possible. If the players must be separated, it has to be in first class facilities. A regular student room in Tower does not cut it.

Are they putting them up in East Tower or Carpenter?

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Originally Posted by Halo

How is this helping anything Phantom? You seem to know all of the facts? I don't and neither do you. To continue your name calling rants are pretty childish in my opinion.

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Exactly. I don't mind reasonable discussions over things like the dorms, etc. But you are going to devalue your opinion when you start going over the top regarding LW. "Power play?" "Publicly chastise?" Give me a break.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9096515

Good interview. They discuss the coaching rumors with Buzz.