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AlexJesswein
11-16-2013, 08:20 AM
Get rowdy! This may be the best opponent we play at home all season

warriorfan4life
11-16-2013, 08:39 AM
I really want to win today, primarily to keep the home winning streak going and to put a statement win on the board for the Big East. Not expecting to win, as this is a tough match-up for a retooled backcourt and Ohio State is ready to win big games now. I think the teams will be pretty equal come March, and I can envision us winning today, but it will only be disheartening if we are run out of the building.

MUAlphaBangura
11-16-2013, 09:35 AM
Gold unis today.

2012Warrior
11-16-2013, 09:49 AM
Hoping MU can continue the long-standing tradition of the Bucks losing in the Bradley Center.

TheSultan
11-16-2013, 10:29 AM
Gold unis today.

mubb just tweeted baby blues.

Mucrisco
11-16-2013, 10:43 AM
Beat the Acorns!

MUAlphaBangura
11-16-2013, 10:44 AM
mubb just tweeted baby blues.

Last minute change voted on by the players. My game day ensemble totally messed up !:rolleyes:

mufan2003
11-16-2013, 11:03 AM
Go Warriors!!!

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:05 PM
Students are ready - MU's Gold N Blues acapella group was singing national anthem and student section took over in force. Team was facing mid court with their heads bowed, and as soon as the students took it over, one by one the players all lifted their heads with huge smiles. As the anthem came to a close, Jajuan Johnson had his arm up pointing at the student section. Pretty impressive.

Game on....

Starting lineup - Derek Wilson, Jake Thomas, Steve Taylor Jr., Jamil Wilson, Chris Otule.....

Officials: Jim Burr? Say it ain't so!! Will get the other two in a moment

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:06 PM
Refs are active early - 28 seconds in and we have an OSU touch foul and a 3 in the lane on MU

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:10 PM
Those at home - we had nop replay, what was call on Derek?

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:18 PM
Slow internet with so many people connected - other two refs are Ed Corbett and Bo Boroski.

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:27 PM
At the 11:55 mark MU up 7-5

MU up on the glass 11-9

MU 1-6 from three, need to get better shots - guys still have the jitters.

4 turnovers and 4 fouls, MU needs to keep that in check

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:29 PM
Never really been a fan of official Bo Borowski, but man does he scan the student section at every stop in the action.

TulsaWarrior
11-16-2013, 12:31 PM
A couple of defense lapses on Marquette. Got to be able to inbound.

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:32 PM
Diamond Stone in the house today

TulsaWarrior
11-16-2013, 12:33 PM
OXtule time

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 12:34 PM
This game is painful to watch through the first 10

TulsaWarrior
11-16-2013, 12:38 PM
Need some offense. Go to guy?

TedBaxter
11-16-2013, 12:39 PM
Two defensive teams at the beginning of the year, so it is to be expected.

I'm not sure this is the place for John Dawson, but boy they need some movement on offense.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 12:40 PM
I like the fact that Dwill has taken it to the hoop a few times. He has been very sloppy with the ball though. I think point guard play is going to be our major issue this year.

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:41 PM
Diamond Stone in the house today

Painful is right - at the 7:51 mark MU is 3-17 from field, OSU is 5-19. Both teams combine for 2-12 from three.

Rebounding battle is tied at 15.

Burton is earning his minutes

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:41 PM
Guys - feel free to comment on TV action, we are getting NO replays at BC.

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:47 PM
Mu is getting hammered going to the hoop - Jake got hit, Steve got hit twice, and they call Davante for the ass-check? Poor.

TulsaWarrior
11-16-2013, 12:47 PM
Marquette showing some nice intensity.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 12:49 PM
Not a good sequence for Jake. Terrible off balance three. Then drives to the hoop and tries a scoop shot. Looks like he got fouled on the scoop though. The charge on Davante was questionable.

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:49 PM
at 3:01 mark, Derrick Wilson & Aaron Craft have yet to come out of the game. No question that players on both teams are gassed. Bradley Center is up for grabs - last possession may have been the loudest I have ever heard this place. Great job MU fans!

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:51 PM
3 minutes to go in the half and the leading scorer for both teams has 5 pts - did not see that coming. Todd Mayo & Lenzelle Smith.

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:53 PM
Buzz just got his first warning for being too far out on the court - warranted, even though it was a stop in action, he was damn near mid court.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 12:54 PM
I think Taylors shot was on time.

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:54 PM
Replay on the shot clock? Did he let it go in time or not?

TulsaWarrior
11-16-2013, 12:54 PM
Buzz might not trust Dawson yet.

TedBaxter
11-16-2013, 12:55 PM
Good call.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 12:55 PM
No, I guess hat was a good call seeing the replay on Taylor

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:55 PM
I thought so too, but no replays here today.

TulsaWarrior
11-16-2013, 12:56 PM
Hell of a play by Mayo.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 12:56 PM
What a play by Mayo

IWB
11-16-2013, 12:57 PM
Derrick got lucky on that one, just as whistle blew he dribbled it off of his foot.

pbiflyer
11-16-2013, 01:00 PM
Guys - feel free to comment on TV action, we are getting NO replays at BC.

No replays on Fox either. Not many anyway.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 01:02 PM
I miss JR. Never thought I would say that!

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 01:04 PM
Steve Taylor looked great on the boards. Lot's of opportunities for rebounds in this game.

TedBaxter
11-16-2013, 01:06 PM
Need Jamil in the second half.

ziggysfryboy
11-16-2013, 01:06 PM
disappointed with the Fox broadcast. no typical Fox innovation. very much a fox sports net broadcast. so much for the mothership having a game.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 01:08 PM
Another thought and this has been beat to death, but Vander would be having a field day with these new rules. With his quick first step, he would be at the line constantly.

IWB
11-16-2013, 01:19 PM
Jake Thomas took a charge - no question, but no call.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 01:20 PM
What happenned to that great defense we saw in the first half?

IWB
11-16-2013, 01:21 PM
OSU is attacking the bench side of the lane - sealing off our post with no help from the side. MU has got to help on D.

TedBaxter
11-16-2013, 01:21 PM
Time to bring John Dawson in.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 01:23 PM
I'm sorry! I have criticized Dwill for not being an offensive threat in the past. Now he is trying to be one and he just isn't! This team will go as far as the point guard takes them! Get healthy soon Duane! He has also been sloppy with the ball, and his defense is not making up for the lack of offensive ability.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 01:26 PM
Nice to get that third foul on Amir Williams.

TedBaxter
11-16-2013, 01:27 PM
Dawson might be a better point than Duane.

TulsaWarrior
11-16-2013, 01:29 PM
Still need ago to guy to emerge.

IWB
11-16-2013, 01:31 PM
MU owning the boards but way too many turnovers.

Rebounds MU 32-24
Turnovers MU 12, OSU 8
MU's shooting is very poor, 20.7% in first half, 22.2% in 2nd half, 21% overall.

IWB
11-16-2013, 01:32 PM
Dawson might be a better point than Duane.

This was true before the injury.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 01:34 PM
I would like to see Dawson get a few minutes then.

Awilhelmscream
11-16-2013, 01:35 PM
We need to pull Mayo for a few minutes, he's out of control on the offensive end right now.

TulsaWarrior
11-16-2013, 01:36 PM
Marquette looks like a young team. A deer in the headlights right now. Need to work it inside at least once on every possession.

IWB
11-16-2013, 01:38 PM
Exactly right Tulsa - state of panic.

Aaron Craft and Derrick Wilson have still not come out of the game.

IWB
11-16-2013, 01:39 PM
Points in paint - OSU 20-14
Points off of T/Os - OSU 10-4
2nd chance points - MU 7-0
Fast Break points - OSU 14-0
Bench points MU - 17-7

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 01:41 PM
Exactly right Tulsa - state of panic.

Aaron Craft and Derrick Wilson have still not come out of the game.

I think Wilson should leave the game. He was good in his defensive roll in spot minutes last year. He is not a starting quality point guard.

TulsaWarrior
11-16-2013, 01:43 PM
Mayo is trying to do I on his on.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 01:43 PM
Our guard play overall has just been terrible today. I have already railed on Dwill, but Mayo is playing poorly, and Jake Thomas in two years has only hit about 4 shots.

TedBaxter
11-16-2013, 01:45 PM
I know Buzz doesn't want to put Dawson and Johnson in against an experienced team this early, but why wait? You don't have the scoring at the guard right now and at least Dawson can feed the post and Johnson may be able to create a little.

TulsaWarrior
11-16-2013, 01:48 PM
Burton seems to be the only freshman Buzz seems to trust in a big game. I sure hope that will change. I wonder if Duane Wilson would have brought some firepower in this game. A lot on Derrick Wilson's shoulders right now.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 01:49 PM
I would like to see Dwill go back to his role as a backup point guard and spot minute defensive specialist. This team will be limited in my opinion while he is running the show. I think there is not much upside to continue playing him. I would rather take my lumps in games like this with the freshman, as they will improve, and the team will improve as we go through the season. Dwill can get a little better in my opinion, but I don't think he has the upside of Dawson or Duane when healthy.

IWB
11-16-2013, 01:50 PM
I knew that Jim Burr was the king of the double technical, but a double foul?

MU is still killing them on the glass, but up to 15 turnovers and shooting 19.1% from the field for the game.

IWB
11-16-2013, 01:51 PM
I don't know that Deonte's PT is a trust thing as much as it is keeping Davante & Chris out of foul trouble.

IWB
11-16-2013, 01:51 PM
MU with only 9 made field goals on the game. I don't know if I remember a shooting performance this bad - ever.

TedBaxter
11-16-2013, 01:52 PM
Put Dawson in. Put Dawson in. Put Dawson in. Put Dawson in. Put Dawson in.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 01:52 PM
Yeah, even the bunnies are not falling

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 01:54 PM
Looks like we lost all of that defensive intensity from the first half.

TulsaWarrior
11-16-2013, 01:54 PM
This game will get the player's attention. A learning experience on national TV. Guard play has to develop. JWilson has to a leader and Anderson needs to become Trent Lockett.

TedBaxter
11-16-2013, 01:55 PM
The guard play isn't going to get a whole lot better unless Buzz starts playing the young guys. Sorry, Derrick and Jake are not high major starting guards.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 01:57 PM
I had a feeling that this is how this game was going to play out. I was actually encouraged in the first half because we were playing good defense, and the game was much closer than I expected it to be.

TulsaWarrior
11-16-2013, 01:58 PM
Maybe put JWilson at the point? I don't fault the team's effort but I do have trouble with their failure to follow a gameplan.

TulsaWarrior
11-16-2013, 01:59 PM
A humility bath can be helpful.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 01:59 PM
Well, the DWill experiment needs to end.

IWB
11-16-2013, 02:02 PM
Hard to pin this on Derrick - MU has 18 turnovers, only 2 are his. MU is also 9-50 from the field, can't pin all of that on Derrick either.

IWB
11-16-2013, 02:04 PM
Finally got Craft on a traveling call. He has been getting away with small travels the entire game.

IWB
11-16-2013, 02:05 PM
Bradley Center clearing out pretty fast.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 02:06 PM
Yes, lots went wrong today, but it all starts with the PG. He seems indecisive, seems a tick late with his passes, not hitting guys in rythym, not playing overly good defense, is probably exhausted, and is not an offensive threat. I think he is better in short doses when he can focus on defense.

TedBaxter
11-16-2013, 02:06 PM
Yes, but the point guard is the one that sets the tempo and everything else on offense. Marquette got dominated at the guard today and I just don't see the potential there to improve with who Buzz played today.

TulsaWarrior
11-16-2013, 02:06 PM
A team loss. Still need to define roles and find offense. The D was there and the intensity was there in the first half.

TedBaxter
11-16-2013, 02:07 PM
Not close to a top 25 team right now.

IWB
11-16-2013, 02:09 PM
Well that was about as ugly as you can get - 35 points.

10-53 from the field.

20 turnovers

1-18 from 3pt

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 02:10 PM
I'd like to see heavy minutes from Dawson and JuJuan going forward. I would rather take my lumps with the freshman and improve as the season goes along. Dwill and Jake are not a high level D1 starting back court.

IWB
11-16-2013, 02:12 PM
Not really disagreeing about the PG play, as I noted a few issues the last two games, just saying this was a horrible effort all the way around.

IWB
11-16-2013, 02:13 PM
As poor as the officiating was today (in my opinion) they called 19 on OSU and 18 on MU - overall with the new rules in place, that wasn't bad.

IWB
11-16-2013, 02:14 PM
Not close to a top 25 team right now.

Agree completely. I think they can be a top 25 team, but are not even close right now.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 02:15 PM
PG play was the first thing that jumped out at me in the first two games against the bunnies. I was extremely worried that this would happen against a good team.

mufansince72
11-16-2013, 02:16 PM
I also keep hearing how great a shooter Jake Thomas is. Someone posted something today how he hit 40 of 50 or something ridiculous in pregame from three. Other than a few baskets against the worst team in D1 history (Grambling), I have not seen anything from him to think he deserves to be on the floor in a year and 3 games.

eastly
11-16-2013, 02:20 PM
The Jake experiment can't end fast enough. What a disaster.

TheSultan
11-16-2013, 02:31 PM
I'm not saying the Derrick Wilson is an elite PG by any means, but he did get the ball to players with a chance to score. I am fine with experimenting more with Dawson, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking that is going to turn a poor outside shooting team into a good one.

And I don't know what to say anymore about Jamil. He's not quick enough to drive on anyone...he's too inconsistent from the outside...he still doesn't physically mix it up in the lane.

MUMac
11-16-2013, 02:33 PM
Just left the BC. Not one guard played well. DWill's 2 three misses and Jake's miss from 3 early started the blowout. Really disappointed in all the guards. As bad as I have seen guard play from Marquette. I agree with the comments on DWill. He played poorly. No offensive flow and that falls on him. If I see he or Jake double pump in traffic again, I may scream. What bothered me most was how poorly those two phases the ball.

That said Steve Taylor needs more minutes. I need Jamil would assert and take over.

Are the freshman this bad that they can't play when our guard play was killing us?

All in all, a really bad overall performance.

TedBaxter
11-16-2013, 02:34 PM
Dawson gets rid of the ball and gets other players the ball in much better position than anyone else on the team. Not even close. Use him.

TheSultan
11-16-2013, 02:38 PM
Dawson gets rid of the ball and gets other players the ball in much better position than anyone else on the team. Not even close. Use him.

Yeah, the whole not playing him at all was puzzling. Also JJJ.

JDubMU
11-16-2013, 02:41 PM
If you told me before the game that we held OSU to 52 points I would say win.

Davante only took 6 shots? Get the ball into your best scrorers hands.

MUMac
11-16-2013, 02:45 PM
One last thing. Please make this the last time we see Jim Burr. That crew was bad; Burr was awful.

Gato78
11-16-2013, 02:48 PM
Burr reffed as poorly as we shot.

TedBaxter
11-16-2013, 02:53 PM
I didn't pay attention to the refs today. Let's be honest, their calls didn't matter.

warriorfan4life
11-16-2013, 02:55 PM
Agree completely. I think they can be a top 25 team, but are not even close right now.

We were not against Florida last year either. We will take another 2-3 non-conference losses, Buzz will have them ready by Big East play, and we will be a very tough out come March. We will succcessfully overcome the loss of Vander later in the year, but OSU's veteran experience carried the day. This Marquette team does not have that level to raise their game yet. Buzz will get them there.

TheSultan
11-16-2013, 02:56 PM
I didn't pay attention to the refs today. Let's be honest, their calls didn't matter.


The only real terrible call was calling the charge on Davante...after no-calling the tOSU charge into Jamil. But outside of that I thought they were pretty consistent. I think a lot of people who are at the BC don't get the benefit of replay which shows that the refs are right a vast majority of the time.

MUMac
11-16-2013, 02:58 PM
I didn't pay attention to the refs today. Let's be honest, their calls didn't matter.

Never said they did. It was, though a poorly officiated game. It did not impact the outcome, but that crew was very inconsistent in the way they called the game.

Gato78
11-16-2013, 03:02 PM
I yelled at Burr that he officiated as badly as we shot. He had a horrible game, especially in the first half.

MUMac
11-16-2013, 03:03 PM
The only real terrible call was calling the charge on Davante...after no-calling the tOSU charge into Jamil. But outside of that I thought they were pretty consistent. I think a lot of people who are at the BC don't get the benefit of replay which shows that the refs are right a vast majority of the time.

Jamil's second foul was huge. Very poor call with all the contract they allowed on penetration and drives. Very inconsistent with the body calls down low. I thought they were worse in the first half than second.

TheSultan
11-16-2013, 03:15 PM
Dawson gets rid of the ball and gets other players the ball in much better position than anyone else on the team. Not even close. Use him.


Based on 26 minutes against SWAC opponents? I agree he should be used, but again let's not pretend that it's going to be significantly different.

Jamil was 1-9....Jake was 0-7....Todd was 3-15.

PLENTY of those were open looks in rhythm. It was a game that looked very similar to the E8 Syracuse game. If you can't shoot from the outside, then they are going to pack it in.

Alan Bykowski, "brewcity77"
11-17-2013, 01:37 PM
Based on 26 minutes against SWAC opponents? I agree he should be used, but again let's not pretend that it's going to be significantly different.

Jamil was 1-9....Jake was 0-7....Todd was 3-15.

PLENTY of those were open looks in rhythm. It was a game that looked very similar to the E8 Syracuse game. If you can't shoot from the outside, then they are going to pack it in.

Exactly right. My biggest issue was all the open shots from range we missed. If Mayo, Jamil, and Jake hit their shots yesterday, I think many people would be praising Derrick. The problem was they missed their shots, so Derrick doesn't get credit for creating since there weren't assists to back it up. And as they missed, someone had to take shots, so Derrick started throwing them up, which isn't his strong suit. He put some guys in position to score and they didn't do it, he had a couple nice drives, I really think he's doing okay.

The second half was the type of game that will make DeWil look bad. OSU closed down passing lanes and packed the inside since no one on Marquette could hit a shot. With the lanes closed, Derrick either had to force bad passes or throw up bad shots. He got no help at all. Cadougan, James, Diener...none of them would have looked good in a situation like yesterday.

mufansince72
11-17-2013, 01:40 PM
I think Derrick would be servicable, with a good 2 guard next to him. I'm not buying the Vander at the point argument. I do think Vander would have a field day this year with the new rules with that first quick step. He would be living at the line.